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post Oct 16 2012, 05:55 PM
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Does anybody know the status on any of these three?
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post Nov 11 2012, 08:23 PM
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I don't have to do secondary research.

Primary research (what you see today, as in now) on what happens to a post-industrial rust-belt town is sufficient.

I read the papers. In LaPorte, people are up in arms about a food storage development at Kingsbury -- fearing that big trucks will ruin the ambiance of downtown LaPorte.

Michigan City has the same problem. People want manufacturing jobs to come back. They want clean air and peace and quiet. They want low crime and good schools. But Michigan City (like many other towns in this demographic) hasn't delivered. It's a scary place to be (the position, not the town).

Last time I looked, manufacturing jobs in the USA DO NOT EXIST unless the factory's output is either too time sensitive (fresh foods, Just-in-time products/demand products) to risk spoilage/time irrelevance on a container ship/train/truck from the Far East, or the output has to be made in America to satisfy some government requirement for raw materials/production sourced in/from the USA (translation: anti-competitive protectionist subsidies).

Beyond that, a company's labor expense in the USA is just too high to be competitive when labor costs in China and India are a tiny fraction of even NON-UNION wages here in the USA (source: US Bureau of Labor Statistics).

After WWII, European manufacturing capacity was pretty much destroyed. The USA was the only game in town. From 1948 to the mid/late 1960s (but with decline beginning in the late 1950s), the US had a near monopoly on manufacturing for global markets, while Japan and Europe rebuilt.

Since 1970, US manufacturing as a percentage of global production has shrunk. China and most Pacific Rim countries were good for textiles, spices, and exotic woods and that's about it -- until American/European entrepreneurs realized the commercial potential of creating the world's goods for a fraction of the labor costs (and fraction of regulatory, liability, human rights, environmental costs) of developed countries like the USA.

Enter China (population 3 billion) and India (population 1.3 billion) compared to the USA's paltry 290 million population and the handwriting was on the wall for us.

Today, our total hourly averagel labor costs are among the world's highest -- upwards of $35 an hour.

Japan, once the only real competitor to the USA, comes in at about $27.80. Taiwan comes in at about $8.68. Philippines, $1.68. China's coastal manufacturing costs are about $1.30 -- which is about 30% higher than 2008 costs -- since the new middle class over there and new domestic economy has put upward pressure on domestic wages. Did you know that the big three sell more cars there than here but the average wage is still less than $2 an hour? India still comes in even LOWER -- at about $1.00 an hour far inland.

Now, I believe that Federal Mogul/Anco just ceased operations here. I believe they are moving to Mexico -- where the average labor rate is around $6.

Read all about it here: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/ichcc.pdf

I didn't even go into child labor rates, but you can read all about THAT here: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/lab_chi_...e-manufacturing

In other words, manufacturing won't be coming back here unless Americans learn that just about everything they buy is manufactured by people who might as well be slaves by our standards -- in wages, hours worked, output demanded, benefits received, job security, job safety, environmental safety, civil rights, freedom to move, freedom from exploitation/sexual harassment etc.

In short, don't hold your breath -- the jobs ain't comin back here unless something terrible happens over there.

The nice part is that if you are into stock, most if not many of the countries that manufacture there are OWNED here, so you can at least have some ownership equity (dividends) to supplement your income -- and just look the other way at the ages of the people whose efforts make the green flow more comfortably into your portfolio.

So, Michigan City did something wise. They allowed a casino. AT LEAST we have a casino. And a marina. And we have a nifty railroad that gets all kind of federal, state and local money. And some heavy industry thanks to the railroads. And proximity to Chicago to attract shoppers. These visitors buy gas and food and get speeding tickets and buy real estate and help contribute.

We'd probably get MORE people moving here if the schools didn't SCUK. But they do and they always have. Michigan City (in my humble opinion) has always been a school system that seems to attract creeps -- so that the actions of a few taint the good intentions of the majority. I DO hope that changes.

If they could do a good housecleaning and get the creeps out the school system, that might interest people to at least move here.

Since manufacturing WILL NOT be returning here in all likelihood, we have to look at alternatives.



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post Nov 11 2012, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(Commuter @ Nov 11 2012, 08:23 PM) *

Why NOT allow a strip club?


Plenty of reasons. Research indicates that.

But I guess you don't have to do that.
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taxthedeer   Kohl's, Boulevard Truck Stop and Strip Club   Oct 16 2012, 05:55 PM
Southsider2k12   Redevelopment commish approved the demo plans for ...   Oct 16 2012, 06:46 PM
Southsider2k12   The strip club is still awaiting approval or denia...   Oct 17 2012, 07:14 AM
Ang   I think the truck stop was supposed to be at the j...   Oct 17 2012, 07:35 AM
taxthedeer   The truck stop is being proposed at 6001 Michigan ...   Oct 17 2012, 11:40 AM
Southsider2k12   Good for the Mayor. That place has been a unfinis...   Oct 17 2012, 11:44 AM
Tim   Good for the Mayor. That place has been a unfini...   Oct 17 2012, 03:06 PM
taxthedeer   What's the story with that place? What an ey...   Oct 17 2012, 03:19 PM
CSchwanke   The truck stop property has changed hands from the...   Oct 17 2012, 03:19 PM
Ang   The truck stop property has changed hands from th...   Oct 17 2012, 03:32 PM
taxthedeer   Here's the story on the mistake by the lake. ...   Oct 17 2012, 04:26 PM
taxthedeer   Here's a back article form the 05-23-12 News-D...   Oct 17 2012, 04:52 PM
Tim   Here's a back article form the 05-23-12 News-...   Oct 18 2012, 08:19 PM
taxthedeer   2010, actually. I went and had a burger for lunc...   Oct 18 2012, 09:13 PM
Tim   I went and had a burger for lunch at Swingbelly...   Oct 18 2012, 09:17 PM
taxthedeer   Ziola and his group was originally wanting to buil...   Oct 17 2012, 07:06 PM
CSchwanke   So are you saying the Truck Stop is now a no-go? ...   Oct 17 2012, 07:45 PM
taxthedeer   I know! How could it be left standing in its...   Oct 18 2012, 09:52 PM
taxthedeer   There will be a joint meeting of the county comiss...   Oct 30 2012, 11:22 AM
Ang   How much you wanna bet they table it? I figure th...   Oct 30 2012, 01:37 PM
taxthedeer   How much you wanna bet they table it? I figure t...   Oct 31 2012, 06:07 AM
Southsider2k12   I sat in the meeting for two and half hours last ...   Oct 31 2012, 07:41 AM
Tim   I sat in the meeting for two and half hours last ...   Nov 1 2012, 04:50 PM
Southsider2k12   The meeting taxthedeer referred to is now availabl...   Nov 1 2012, 12:01 PM
MC Born & Raised   I get so tired of these types of created controver...   Nov 1 2012, 08:02 PM
Tim   I get so tired of these types of created controve...   Nov 1 2012, 09:12 PM
MC Born & Raised   One could say you should get over yourself. I wo...   Nov 1 2012, 09:25 PM
Tim   Speaking of people who need to get over themselve...   Nov 1 2012, 09:29 PM
MC Born & Raised   Wow. You really don't get it. You say ...   Nov 1 2012, 11:10 PM
Tim   I'm saying it's an invalid argument. ...   Nov 2 2012, 12:04 AM
MC Born & Raised   I think it's perfectly valid, especially in a...   Nov 2 2012, 12:06 AM
Tim   Good point. Places that attract tourists NEVER ha...   Nov 2 2012, 12:10 AM
MC Born & Raised   Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what I said....   Nov 2 2012, 12:27 AM
Tim   You said a city so focused on attracting tourist ...   Nov 2 2012, 12:30 AM
MC Born & Raised   And I would conclude you're wrong. There are...   Nov 2 2012, 12:40 AM
Tim   Stop using semantics to distract the argument. Yo...   Nov 2 2012, 12:43 AM
MC Born & Raised   Yeah, but this isn't about you. This is abou...   Nov 2 2012, 12:50 AM
Tim   I believe the Adult Toy Store had strippers in it...   Nov 2 2012, 12:53 AM
MC Born & Raised   Who said anything about it destroying MC? How...   Nov 2 2012, 12:59 AM
Tim   You used the word "detriment" which mea...   Nov 2 2012, 01:05 AM
MC Born & Raised   "So, in short, YOU said that." In shor...   Nov 2 2012, 01:11 AM
Tim   You wanna play the semantics game, I'll play....   Nov 2 2012, 01:15 AM
MC Born & Raised   "Damage has a synonym of "destruction...   Nov 2 2012, 01:17 AM
Tim   Not in all cases? Huh? Just own what you said, ma...   Nov 2 2012, 01:22 AM
MC Born & Raised   Don't understand? I'll explain. Take th...   Nov 2 2012, 01:33 AM
Tim   You're right, my bad. When you said "det...   Nov 2 2012, 01:39 AM
MC Born & Raised   I think the possibility of negative impact is gre...   Nov 2 2012, 01:43 AM
Tim   But, as I've said, that has existed right her...   Nov 2 2012, 01:48 AM
MC Born & Raised   How can you know whether that's true or not? ...   Nov 2 2012, 01:52 AM
Tim   Because they have opinions, just like I do. When ...   Nov 2 2012, 01:56 AM
mc46360   Good point. Places that attract tourists NEVER ha...   Nov 2 2012, 12:19 AM
Tim   Just want to let you know I at least agree with y...   Nov 2 2012, 12:26 AM
mcstumper   Everytime I look at the name of this topic I think...   Nov 1 2012, 09:19 PM
MC Born & Raised   Everytime I look at the name of this topic I thin...   Nov 1 2012, 09:27 PM
indianamaniac   First of all, Tim, your analogy of comparing strip...   Nov 2 2012, 01:37 AM
MC Born & Raised   First of all, Tim, your analogy of comparing stri...   Nov 2 2012, 01:40 AM
Tim   First of all, Tim, your analogy of comparing stri...   Nov 2 2012, 01:46 AM
indianamaniac   "First of all, Tim, your analogy of comparin...   Nov 2 2012, 02:09 AM
Tim   Because there's quite an imbalance between mo...   Nov 2 2012, 02:13 AM
indianamaniac   While I agree there are bigger issues at hand in ...   Nov 2 2012, 02:46 AM
Tim   Okay, and MC Born and Raised made his observation...   Nov 2 2012, 02:51 AM
indianamaniac   "We all get get." Quite obviously, yo...   Nov 2 2012, 03:10 AM
Tim   I guess I've gotta go sift through MTV...   Nov 2 2012, 03:17 AM
Ang   Because there's quite an imbalance between mo...   Nov 2 2012, 07:42 AM
Southsider2k12   First of all, Tim, your analogy of comparing stri...   Nov 2 2012, 07:32 AM
indianamaniac   Boy this thread got nice and angry. As a person ...   Nov 2 2012, 11:33 AM
Grammy515   very well said... Southsider, show me the busine...   Nov 2 2012, 11:59 AM
Southsider2k12   Southsider, show me the businesses that have show...   Nov 2 2012, 12:15 PM
indianamaniac   The property tax situation, while a mess, has rea...   Nov 2 2012, 12:36 PM
Southsider2k12   Okay, so how do we go about bringing back manufac...   Nov 2 2012, 01:05 PM
Tim   Boy this thread got nice and angry. You're...   Nov 2 2012, 03:52 PM
MC Born & Raised   You're welcome. lol Total agreeance, SS. ...   Nov 2 2012, 03:58 PM
Tim   OMG ... did we just agree on something? Can we fo...   Nov 2 2012, 04:06 PM
MC Born & Raised   What? "Michigan City, for better or worse,...   Nov 2 2012, 04:07 PM
Tim   "Michigan City, for better or worse, needs t...   Nov 2 2012, 04:12 PM
Southsider2k12   Throw me into that agreement. The manufacturing a...   Nov 2 2012, 04:43 PM
jkeppen   Throw me into that agreement. The manufacturing ...   Nov 3 2012, 08:18 PM
Southsider2k12   Wasn't that the whole meaning behind the righ...   Nov 5 2012, 09:03 AM
jkeppen   The career center was going to be tough to pass w...   Nov 8 2012, 06:23 PM
taxthedeer   The career center was going to be tough to pass w...   Nov 11 2012, 09:53 AM
Commuter   I just read this entire thread. A town's tour...   Nov 8 2012, 08:49 PM
Ang   I just read this entire thread. A town's tou...   Nov 9 2012, 07:57 AM
Tim   I just read this entire thread. A town's tou...   Nov 11 2012, 03:51 PM
Commuter   I don't have to do secondary research. Primar...   Nov 11 2012, 08:23 PM
MCRogers1974   I don't have to do secondary research. Prima...   Nov 11 2012, 08:58 PM
Tim   Why NOT allow a strip club? Plenty of reasons. ...   Nov 11 2012, 09:48 PM
Southsider2k12   I don't have to do secondary research. Prima...   Nov 12 2012, 07:58 AM
taxthedeer   Today, our total hourly averagel labor costs are...   Nov 13 2012, 02:03 AM
Southsider2k12   The place I worked at this past year sometimes di...   Nov 13 2012, 09:58 AM
taxthedeer   Well if you can get a job in the strip club, you ...   Nov 13 2012, 02:26 PM
Commuter   Cite your sources. I listed mine.   Nov 11 2012, 11:21 PM
Tim   Cite your sources. I listed mine. You posted so...   Nov 12 2012, 01:14 AM
Ang   Demographics. People who live in the those areas ...   Nov 12 2012, 08:48 AM
Southsider2k12   Demographics. People who live in the those areas...   Nov 12 2012, 08:59 AM
Ang   It began with crime. Our crime rate is much highe...   Nov 12 2012, 09:22 AM
Southsider2k12   It began with crime. Our crime rate is much high...   Nov 12 2012, 09:37 AM
Tim   What difference will a strip club make in the gra...   Nov 12 2012, 03:12 PM
Commuter   Let's say the city fathers allow this strip cl...   Nov 12 2012, 11:14 AM
Southsider2k12   Let's say the city fathers allow this strip c...   Nov 12 2012, 11:27 AM
Ang   That's a scary thought! :lol:   Nov 13 2012, 10:00 AM
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