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Relocating the South Shore Railroad
The South Shore Railroad (NICTD) route in Michigan City:
Should be moved North (probably coming through near Swingbelly's). [ 4 ] ** [25.00%]
Should be moved South (to pass near Al's on Franklin St). [ 1 ] ** [6.25%]
Should be moved far to the South (near the city limits). [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Should stay where it is (not moved at all). [ 10 ] ** [62.50%]
Should be removed (no public transportation needed). [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Should be moved underground (this is dreaming). [ 1 ] ** [6.25%]
Should be replaced by a Transporter (for the Trekkies out there). [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Total Votes: 16
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Marram
post Feb 3 2008, 02:34 AM
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Speaking of polls, here's one dealing with something besides our schools. There has been a lot of talk for many years about this subject. But just lately State Rep. Pelath and our own resident Sox fan had a bit of a conversation about allocating money to move the old South Shore line (somewhere).


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post Feb 5 2008, 08:33 PM
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I definitely lean toward moving the tracks south. First off, if would make the train more accessible to more residents of greater Michigan City. Somehow we seem to be losing sight of the fact that the SS is for all of us, not just Elston Grove residents. Moving the tracks south means more available parking and an elevated boarding platform that would make it easier for the handicapped and elderly to board. This is something that would be impossible to do at the 11th Street station. Secondly, fewer grade crossings means a reduction in the probability of traffic accidents on the line. Finally, we are all looking at the upfront cost of this move without looking at the overall return on investment. This would include the net present value of the savings on future maintenance expenses along with a monetary benefit assigned to every minute saved by every commuter every day that they ride. I don't know about you, but I value my time.


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post Feb 6 2008, 07:23 AM
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QUOTE(mcstumper @ Feb 5 2008, 08:33 PM) *

I definitely lean toward moving the tracks south. First off, if would make the train more accessible to more residents of greater Michigan City. Somehow we seem to be losing sight of the fact that the SS is for all of us, not just Elston Grove residents. Moving the tracks south means more available parking and an elevated boarding platform that would make it easier for the handicapped and elderly to board. This is something that would be impossible to do at the 11th Street station. Secondly, fewer grade crossings means a reduction in the probability of traffic accidents on the line. Finally, we are all looking at the upfront cost of this move without looking at the overall return on investment. This would include the net present value of the savings on future maintenance expenses along with a monetary benefit assigned to every minute saved by every commuter every day that they ride. I don't know about you, but I value my time.


If parking was your main concern, and they really wanted to invest the kind of money they are talking about in the system, it wouldn't take too much of it to use emminent domain and buy the few houses behind the parking lot. Then you build a parking garage. Parking problem solved. Public usage, and public benefit are clear.

The time issue is moot for me, as I demonstrated earlier, because there isn't that much time to be saved. I have never took the ride all of the way to South Bend, but there just isn't going to be nearly as much time as they are talking about saved by a re-route in MC, unless it was to completely south of I-94, and all crossings were limited access. As long as you are going to go through the City of Michigan City somewhere, you are going to cross a bunch of streets and neighborhoods, which means noise restrictions, which means speed restrictions, just like they have on 11th St. So instead of going 25 mph on 11th st, they are going 30 mph elsewhere. Big deal. They spend 8-9 figures worth of money to save 5 minutes. Yeah, that is not worth it to me, and I ride the train 5 days a week. I value my time, but I also value my tax dollars.
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post Feb 6 2008, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE(southsider2k7 @ Feb 6 2008, 07:23 AM) *

I value my time, but I also value my tax dollars.


The pols are going to spend that money whether it is here or in Valpo. As for the emminent domain, if we use the Weber's math it will only cost us $3 trillion dollars to acquire the Moose Lodge...


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QUOTE(mcstumper @ Feb 6 2008, 09:41 PM) *

The pols are going to spend that money whether it is here or in Valpo. As for the emminent domain, if we use the Weber's math it will only cost us $3 trillion dollars to acquire the Moose Lodge...


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Teach   Poll: Moving the South Shore   Feb 3 2008, 02:34 AM
southsider2k7   Personally I like the Andrews Plan of incorporatin...   Feb 3 2008, 02:05 PM
Teach   And I am going to also lay claim to the title of ...   Feb 3 2008, 04:37 PM
Dave   Rich Murphy's letter was in the News-Dispatch ...   Feb 3 2008, 08:34 PM
southsider2k7   Rich Murphy's letter was in the News-Dispatch...   Feb 4 2008, 07:24 AM
southsider2k7   The SB Trib sites 20 minutes as possible time savi...   Feb 5 2008, 08:17 AM
Teach   The SB Trib sites 20 minutes as possible time sav...   Feb 5 2008, 02:26 PM
southsider2k7   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;T...   Feb 5 2008, 03:11 PM
Dave   Hey, if they want to reroute the train in SB, I ha...   Feb 5 2008, 03:27 PM
lovethiscity   Hey, if they want to reroute the train in SB, I h...   Feb 5 2008, 08:15 PM
ChickenCityRoller   I like the idea of keeping it where it is. Hell, ...   Feb 5 2008, 03:52 PM
Ang   I like the idea of keeping it where it is. Hell,...   Feb 5 2008, 04:42 PM
Dave   I know there are Interurban fans out there, I had ...   Feb 5 2008, 05:16 PM
mcstumper   I definitely lean toward moving the tracks south. ...   Feb 5 2008, 08:33 PM
Dave   I definitely lean toward moving the tracks south....   Feb 6 2008, 02:26 AM
southsider2k7   I definitely lean toward moving the tracks south....   Feb 6 2008, 07:23 AM
mcstumper   I value my time, but I also value my tax dollars....   Feb 6 2008, 09:41 PM
Dave   The pols are going to spend that money whether it...   Feb 6 2008, 10:02 PM
southsider2k7   The pols are going to spend that money whether it...   Feb 7 2008, 07:11 AM
Teach   I definitely lean toward moving the tracks south....   Feb 8 2008, 12:56 AM
Dave   Teach, I can see the noise angle, but pollution? T...   Feb 8 2008, 02:03 AM
southsider2k7   Teach, I can see the noise angle, but pollution? ...   Feb 8 2008, 07:52 AM
edgeywood   You are probably right here. I think I remember...   Feb 8 2008, 09:25 AM
lovethiscity   Teach, I can see the noise angle, but pollution? ...   Feb 8 2008, 09:59 PM
Dave   South Shore also operates diesel locomotives. Not...   Feb 8 2008, 10:52 PM
Teach   You're right about it being electric and savi...   Feb 9 2008, 08:23 AM
Ang   It seems to me I remember seeing freight trains us...   Feb 8 2008, 09:37 AM
southsider2k7   NICTD does own a freight service and IIRC they do ...   Feb 8 2008, 11:57 AM
ChickenCityRoller   NICTD does own a freight service and IIRC they do...   Feb 8 2008, 02:30 PM
edgeywood   Until about two years ago, the big money maker wa...   Feb 8 2008, 08:12 PM
edgeywood   Until about two years ago, the big money maker wa...   Feb 8 2008, 08:19 PM
southsider2k7   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;T...   Feb 11 2008, 08:34 AM
southsider2k7   The other part of the South Shore bill in the stat...   Feb 12 2008, 09:06 AM
southsider2k7   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;T...   Feb 13 2008, 07:09 AM
Dave   I will say Oberlie is saying the right things i...   Feb 13 2008, 12:29 PM
Teach   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;...   Feb 13 2008, 12:33 PM
southsider2k7   Two things: If I'm reading this right, we d...   Feb 13 2008, 12:36 PM
Dave   I really think for the amount of money we are tal...   Feb 13 2008, 12:53 PM
lovethiscity   Two things: If I'm reading this right, we d...   Feb 15 2008, 09:01 PM
Teach   sad to say but we lost our Grayhound service I ...   Feb 16 2008, 04:59 PM
lovethiscity   I was referring to the MC buses, Kemo Sabe. sorr...   Feb 16 2008, 09:59 PM
southsider2k7   I was referring to the MC buses, Kemo Sabe. If ...   Feb 20 2008, 07:45 AM
southsider2k7   http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/15649872.html   Feb 15 2008, 01:48 PM
southsider2k7   http://www.post-trib.com/news/793787,trackroute.ar...   Feb 15 2008, 01:50 PM
Dave   OMFG, could it be? He's actually read at lea...   Feb 15 2008, 02:00 PM
southsider2k7   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;T...   Feb 21 2008, 01:05 PM
southsider2k7   http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/200...8c055...   Feb 21 2008, 01:30 PM
southsider2k7   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;T...   Feb 21 2008, 01:39 PM
Dave   Who are these morons? I can think of another co...   Feb 21 2008, 03:54 PM
Teach   Who are these morons? I can think of another coun...   Feb 21 2008, 08:30 PM
edgeywood   Who are these morons? I can think of another coun...   Feb 22 2008, 08:23 AM
Dave   Actually, they do...it's through Metra. The S...   Feb 22 2008, 04:28 PM
edgeywood   Oh, go ahead and get all reasonable on me! :...   Feb 22 2008, 07:15 PM
Dave   You are reading my mind! Why should we pay fo...   Feb 22 2008, 11:18 PM
edgeywood   Heck, the Beverly Shores stop is pretty nice, and...   Feb 23 2008, 05:04 PM
southsider2k7   NICTD doesn't own that one, the Beverly Shore...   Aug 4 2008, 06:08 AM
Roger Kaputnik   Well, did the train ever stop there?   Aug 4 2008, 09:27 AM
southsider2k7   Well, did the train ever stop there? I was refe...   Aug 4 2008, 09:28 AM


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