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Relocating the South Shore Railroad
The South Shore Railroad (NICTD) route in Michigan City:
Should be moved North (probably coming through near Swingbelly's). [ 4 ] ** [25.00%]
Should be moved South (to pass near Al's on Franklin St). [ 1 ] ** [6.25%]
Should be moved far to the South (near the city limits). [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Should stay where it is (not moved at all). [ 10 ] ** [62.50%]
Should be removed (no public transportation needed). [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Should be moved underground (this is dreaming). [ 1 ] ** [6.25%]
Should be replaced by a Transporter (for the Trekkies out there). [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Total Votes: 16
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Marram
post Feb 3 2008, 02:34 AM
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Speaking of polls, here's one dealing with something besides our schools. There has been a lot of talk for many years about this subject. But just lately State Rep. Pelath and our own resident Sox fan had a bit of a conversation about allocating money to move the old South Shore line (somewhere).


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http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/200...8c055974794.txt

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BY PATRICK GUINANE
pguinane@nwitimes.com
317.637.9078 | Tuesday, February 19, 2008 | 12 comment(s)

INDIANAPOLIS | Legislation to finance South Shore extensions to Lowell and Valparaiso was laid to rest Tuesday in a brief ceremony.

The Senate Tax and Fiscal Policy Committee gutted House Bill 1220, which would have diverted $350 million in state sales tax money to the $1 billion commuter rail expansion plan. All that remains now are provisions steering the South Shore issue to a summer study committee.

"I think it's hard to commit state dollars to this without a better funding plan," said Senate Tax Chairman Luke Kenley, R-Noblesville. "The funding mechanism provided to us falls woefully short of being fair and equitable."

But some region legislators remain hopeful the rail funding effort can be resurrected yet this legislation session, which is scheduled to end March 14.

The South Shore legislation cleared the House last month, making it eligible for one of the House-Senate conference committees that will meet the last two weeks of session. But that would leave a host of differences to sort out in short time.

The rail financing plan has divided region lawmakers along geographic lines. And state fiscal leaders, already wary of an initial price tag of roughly $30 million annually, have watched as lawmakers have proposed adding some $400 million more in rail projects from Gary, Hammond, Michigan City and South Bend.

"I don't think we're hurting this at all by delaying this," Kenley said.

But other lawmakers argue moving the issue to a summer study committee could jeopardize the South Shore expansion proposal's place in line for $500 million in federal dollars.

"There will be a delay, and we will be set back," said state Sen. Frank Mrvan, D-Hammond.

Kenley said legislators need time to work out a funding plan that more closely resembles the 2005 deal to finance a new Indianapolis Colts stadium and a convention center expansion. Several counties around the state capital adopted a 1 percent food and beverage sales tax to finance those projects, and Indianapolis raised its hotel and car rental taxes.
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Teach   Poll: Moving the South Shore   Feb 3 2008, 02:34 AM
southsider2k7   Personally I like the Andrews Plan of incorporatin...   Feb 3 2008, 02:05 PM
Teach   And I am going to also lay claim to the title of ...   Feb 3 2008, 04:37 PM
Dave   Rich Murphy's letter was in the News-Dispatch ...   Feb 3 2008, 08:34 PM
southsider2k7   Rich Murphy's letter was in the News-Dispatch...   Feb 4 2008, 07:24 AM
southsider2k7   The SB Trib sites 20 minutes as possible time savi...   Feb 5 2008, 08:17 AM
Teach   The SB Trib sites 20 minutes as possible time sav...   Feb 5 2008, 02:26 PM
southsider2k7   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;T...   Feb 5 2008, 03:11 PM
Dave   Hey, if they want to reroute the train in SB, I ha...   Feb 5 2008, 03:27 PM
lovethiscity   Hey, if they want to reroute the train in SB, I h...   Feb 5 2008, 08:15 PM
ChickenCityRoller   I like the idea of keeping it where it is. Hell, ...   Feb 5 2008, 03:52 PM
Ang   I like the idea of keeping it where it is. Hell,...   Feb 5 2008, 04:42 PM
Dave   I know there are Interurban fans out there, I had ...   Feb 5 2008, 05:16 PM
mcstumper   I definitely lean toward moving the tracks south. ...   Feb 5 2008, 08:33 PM
Dave   I definitely lean toward moving the tracks south....   Feb 6 2008, 02:26 AM
southsider2k7   I definitely lean toward moving the tracks south....   Feb 6 2008, 07:23 AM
mcstumper   I value my time, but I also value my tax dollars....   Feb 6 2008, 09:41 PM
Dave   The pols are going to spend that money whether it...   Feb 6 2008, 10:02 PM
southsider2k7   The pols are going to spend that money whether it...   Feb 7 2008, 07:11 AM
Teach   I definitely lean toward moving the tracks south....   Feb 8 2008, 12:56 AM
Dave   Teach, I can see the noise angle, but pollution? T...   Feb 8 2008, 02:03 AM
southsider2k7   Teach, I can see the noise angle, but pollution? ...   Feb 8 2008, 07:52 AM
edgeywood   You are probably right here. I think I remember...   Feb 8 2008, 09:25 AM
lovethiscity   Teach, I can see the noise angle, but pollution? ...   Feb 8 2008, 09:59 PM
Dave   South Shore also operates diesel locomotives. Not...   Feb 8 2008, 10:52 PM
Teach   You're right about it being electric and savi...   Feb 9 2008, 08:23 AM
Ang   It seems to me I remember seeing freight trains us...   Feb 8 2008, 09:37 AM
southsider2k7   NICTD does own a freight service and IIRC they do ...   Feb 8 2008, 11:57 AM
ChickenCityRoller   NICTD does own a freight service and IIRC they do...   Feb 8 2008, 02:30 PM
edgeywood   Until about two years ago, the big money maker wa...   Feb 8 2008, 08:12 PM
edgeywood   Until about two years ago, the big money maker wa...   Feb 8 2008, 08:19 PM
southsider2k7   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;T...   Feb 11 2008, 08:34 AM
southsider2k7   The other part of the South Shore bill in the stat...   Feb 12 2008, 09:06 AM
southsider2k7   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;T...   Feb 13 2008, 07:09 AM
Dave   I will say Oberlie is saying the right things i...   Feb 13 2008, 12:29 PM
Teach   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;...   Feb 13 2008, 12:33 PM
southsider2k7   Two things: If I'm reading this right, we d...   Feb 13 2008, 12:36 PM
Dave   I really think for the amount of money we are tal...   Feb 13 2008, 12:53 PM
lovethiscity   Two things: If I'm reading this right, we d...   Feb 15 2008, 09:01 PM
Teach   sad to say but we lost our Grayhound service I ...   Feb 16 2008, 04:59 PM
lovethiscity   I was referring to the MC buses, Kemo Sabe. sorr...   Feb 16 2008, 09:59 PM
southsider2k7   I was referring to the MC buses, Kemo Sabe. If ...   Feb 20 2008, 07:45 AM
southsider2k7   http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/15649872.html   Feb 15 2008, 01:48 PM
southsider2k7   http://www.post-trib.com/news/793787,trackroute.ar...   Feb 15 2008, 01:50 PM
Dave   OMFG, could it be? He's actually read at lea...   Feb 15 2008, 02:00 PM
southsider2k7   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;T...   Feb 21 2008, 01:05 PM
southsider2k7   http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/200...8c055...   Feb 21 2008, 01:30 PM
southsider2k7   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;T...   Feb 21 2008, 01:39 PM
Dave   Who are these morons? I can think of another co...   Feb 21 2008, 03:54 PM
Teach   Who are these morons? I can think of another coun...   Feb 21 2008, 08:30 PM
edgeywood   Who are these morons? I can think of another coun...   Feb 22 2008, 08:23 AM
Dave   Actually, they do...it's through Metra. The S...   Feb 22 2008, 04:28 PM
edgeywood   Oh, go ahead and get all reasonable on me! :...   Feb 22 2008, 07:15 PM
Dave   You are reading my mind! Why should we pay fo...   Feb 22 2008, 11:18 PM
edgeywood   Heck, the Beverly Shores stop is pretty nice, and...   Feb 23 2008, 05:04 PM
southsider2k7   NICTD doesn't own that one, the Beverly Shore...   Aug 4 2008, 06:08 AM
Roger Kaputnik   Well, did the train ever stop there?   Aug 4 2008, 09:27 AM
southsider2k7   Well, did the train ever stop there? I was refe...   Aug 4 2008, 09:28 AM


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