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post Oct 10 2008, 03:59 AM
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AIG cancels planned events amid rebukes for hosting $440,000 function

American International Group Inc. said Thursday that it would cancel most of its planned events after lawmakers castigated the insurer for hosting a $440,000 function at a resort while benefiting from an $85-billion government bailout.

The cancellations include an event that was scheduled for next week at the Ritz-Carlton in Northern California's Half Moon Bay. The gathering that drew the rebukes was held last month at the St. Regis Resort in Dana Point. About 100 independent insurance agents who sell coverage for New York-based AIG attended, spending $23,000 on spa services, among other things.

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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-aig1...0,2353290.story

Anyone wonder why we're in the crapper? These clowns almost go under, taxpayers who are losing jobs and homes bail them out - and they're off to a laa-dee-dah spa fxxxing resort??? Obviously nearly going out of business BY THEIR OWN HAND did nothing to change their way of thinking. Jerks. A couple of nice quotes from the article -

"This kind of behavior is an insult to taxpayers," the Montana Democrat wrote in a letter to Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke. Baucus asked for a response by Oct. 23.

"I cannot fathom how in the same day -- the very same day -- that AIG asked the government for another $37.8-billion loan, the company would even consider moving forward with plans to host another large conference at another luxury resort," said Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, a Maryland Democrat.

THEN, skipping another chance to learn they're idiots, they want to ADVERTISE EXPENSIVELY about their screw up. A nice repsonse -


"To spend the taxpayer's money on an expensive ad campaign to apologize for how you used taxpayer money leaves you open to further attacks," Sard wrote in an e-mail Wednesday to Ashooh.

It just stuns me to think how stupid people who are supposed to be smart have been.
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post Nov 20 2008, 01:34 PM
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It is not the hardhat crowd that is making any of the decisions that have ruined the industry. Do you expect workers to say, "No, don't give us those benefits or pay scales, we want to make sure that you have enough money to manage to make sure the industry stays healthy." That is ludicrous.

I do agree that the unions will have to arrive at some agreement with the corps. The fault cannot be laid at the feet of the workers who accepted an offer from mgmt. And it was not the hardhats who decided that SUVs were the way to go, nor did they lobby the gov't to keep CAFE mileage standards low.

As far as class warfare, I paraphrase Warren Buffet: There is a war between the classes, and my class is winning!



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QUOTE(Roger Kaputnik @ Nov 20 2008, 01:34 PM) *

It is not the hardhat crowd that is making any of the decisions that have ruined the industry. Do you expect workers to say, "No, don't give us those benefits or pay scales, we want to make sure that you have enough money to manage to make sure the industry stays healthy." That is ludicrous.

I do agree that the unions will have to arrive at some agreement with the corps. The fault cannot be laid at the feet of the workers who accepted an offer from mgmt. And it was not the hardhats who decided that SUVs were the way to go, nor did they lobby the gov't to keep CAFE mileage standards low.

As far as class warfare, I paraphrase Warren Buffet: There is a war between the classes, and my class is winning!


When the choice is reduction or failure, I expect them to choose reduction. Its not ludicrous, it is common sense. A lesser paying job is always better than no job, especially when your industry is falling apart around you. For labor to not care about the health of their own provider tells a lot about how the auto industry got the point it is in.

It is also silly to characterize these contracts as offers from management. We are talking about tedious negotiation processes, in which the union has the right of strike, which they have used many times over the years. To classify this as only managements doing is just silly. You make it seem as if labor has never pushed for higher wages or bigger benefits. It sounds almost as if you believe that stockholders and management asked labor to take more than they asked for, when it is in fact the opposite.

One of my college professors actually spent time as an economist in labor negotations for some of the steel mills. They sure as heck weren't looking for him to provide figures that were conducive to small wages and benefits, that for sure!
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Tim   Now THIS pxxxes me off   Oct 10 2008, 03:59 AM
Dave   Hey, it's even worse than you think... ...   Oct 10 2008, 01:07 PM
southsider2k7   Hey, it's even worse than you think... ...   Oct 10 2008, 01:12 PM
Roger Kaputnik   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7737040.stm ...   Nov 19 2008, 07:51 PM
Roger Kaputnik   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7738224.stm ...   Nov 19 2008, 07:58 PM
Roger Kaputnik   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7651257.stm ...   Nov 19 2008, 08:07 PM
eric.hanke   Before handing these companies BILLIONS of dollars...   Nov 19 2008, 08:44 PM
southsider2k7   The most telling thing that no one is really talki...   Nov 20 2008, 07:37 AM
Roger Kaputnik   eric.hanke, the second IBP image did not come up...   Nov 20 2008, 09:08 AM
southsider2k7   eric.hanke, the second IBP image did not come up...   Nov 20 2008, 09:33 AM
Roger Kaputnik   If you have a cost structure that puts you ...   Nov 20 2008, 11:42 AM
southsider2k7   High wages is not a labor problem, it is a failur...   Nov 20 2008, 11:48 AM
Roger Kaputnik   Its a labor problem when the company is doomed ...   Nov 20 2008, 12:46 PM
southsider2k7   It is a problem FOR labor when the mgmt. has mess...   Nov 20 2008, 01:03 PM
eric.hanke   eric.hanke, the second IBP image did not come up...   Nov 20 2008, 09:51 AM
southsider2k7   And back to the original post... I came across thi...   Nov 20 2008, 11:36 AM
Dave   And back to the original post... I came across th...   Nov 20 2008, 02:43 PM
Roger Kaputnik   It is not the hardhat crowd that is making any of ...   Nov 20 2008, 01:34 PM
southsider2k7   It is not the hardhat crowd that is making any of...   Nov 20 2008, 01:49 PM
Roger Kaputnik   When the choice is reduction or failure, I expe...   Nov 20 2008, 02:53 PM
edgeywood   ... The fault cannot be laid at the feet of the w...   Nov 20 2008, 07:22 PM
southyards   Well said. Has anyone seen "Who Stole the ...   Nov 21 2008, 06:37 PM
Tim   How about the clowns in Detroit EACH flying to Was...   Nov 20 2008, 08:13 PM
TSNSPYDER   A couple thoughts I have. All CEOs make way too ...   Nov 22 2008, 11:07 AM
southsider2k7   A couple thoughts I have. All CEOs make way too...   Nov 24 2008, 07:56 AM
southsider2k7   http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;T...   Nov 24 2008, 08:41 AM
digger262   I work in the automotive industry and most of us h...   Nov 25 2008, 10:55 AM
Roger Kaputnik   MITCH ALBOM If I had the floor at the auto rescu...   Nov 25 2008, 11:02 AM
Roger Kaputnik   Look. Nobody is saying the auto business is hea...   Nov 25 2008, 11:34 AM
southsider2k7   The entire article could have been these sentence...   Nov 25 2008, 11:43 AM
digger262   If American's really felt that way, they woul...   Nov 25 2008, 12:16 PM
Roger Kaputnik   It is a lot like the way greens pay more for organ...   Nov 25 2008, 12:01 PM
southsider2k7   It is a lot like the way greens pay more for orga...   Nov 25 2008, 01:12 PM
Roger Kaputnik   The Lear jets are nothing compared to the wage...   Nov 25 2008, 01:35 PM
southsider2k7   Wages and benefits are spread around to a lot of...   Nov 25 2008, 01:47 PM
Roger Kaputnik   Regarding your statement that Americans have becom...   Nov 25 2008, 12:57 PM
Roger Kaputnik   Salaries and bonuses are not the same as wages and...   Nov 25 2008, 02:02 PM
southsider2k7   Salaries and bonuses are not the same as wages an...   Nov 25 2008, 02:15 PM
Roger Kaputnik   I think we all have said the same thing. Speaking...   Nov 25 2008, 02:32 PM
southsider2k7   I think we all have said the same thing. Speakin...   Nov 25 2008, 03:02 PM
Roger Kaputnik   The only way it has been ignored is by allocating ...   Nov 25 2008, 03:58 PM
southsider2k7   The only way it has been ignored is by allocating...   Nov 25 2008, 07:24 PM
Roger Kaputnik   My point is that the money made then was not put t...   Nov 26 2008, 09:17 AM


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