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Posted by: JoeJ Dec 1 2008, 07:19 PM
Here let me hit that dead horse one more time,just in case it comes back to life
No went from mostly dead to hopefully dead
Joe "i know better than most"
Posted by: Roger Kaputnik Dec 2 2008, 08:18 AM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 1 2008, 07:19 PM) 
Joe "i know better than most"
Most what?!
Posted by: JoeJ Dec 2 2008, 08:52 AM
QUOTE(Roger Kaputnik @ Dec 2 2008, 08:18 AM)
Most what?!
Most of you
Posted by: kharris Dec 2 2008, 09:00 AM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 2 2008, 08:52 AM)
Most of you
And just because of the "tone" of most of your postings ... I have to ask ... why do you think you know better than most of us?
Posted by: JoeJ Dec 2 2008, 09:33 AM
QUOTE(kharris @ Dec 2 2008, 09:00 AM)
And just because of the "tone" of most of your postings ... I have to ask ... why do you think you know better than most of us?
LOL, I said most, not all. Keith, you could be the exception to the rule!
Joe
Posted by: Roger Kaputnik Dec 2 2008, 10:18 AM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 2 2008, 08:52 AM)
Most of you
That should be easy for you to prove. When will you?
Posted by: Tim Dec 2 2008, 04:59 PM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 2 2008, 10:33 AM)
LOL, I said most, not all. Keith, you could be the exception to the rule!
Joe
Don't take this the wrong way, bro - but you're a leaping jerk. Is your life so miserable that you have to come swishing your way into this fine group and act like a tough guy while hiding behind your computer? I've read some of your crap - you have nothing positive to offer and indeed whine like a schoolgirl who went to the beach and got sand stuck in her underwear every chance you get. You obviously have no intention of being part of our gang. The one thing we all have to look forward to is soon your insignficance will become so obvious no one will respond to you any longer.
In the meantime, enjoy it while you can.....
Posted by: JoeJ Dec 2 2008, 05:13 PM
QUOTE(Tim @ Dec 2 2008, 04:59 PM)
Don't take this the wrong way, bro - but you're a leaping jerk. Is your life so miserable that you have to come swishing your way into this fine group and act like a tough guy while hiding behind your computer? I've read some of your crap - you have nothing positive to offer and indeed whine like a schoolgirl who went to the beach and got sand stuck in her underwear every chance you get. You obviously have no intention of being part of our gang. The one thing we all have to look forward to is soon your insignficance will become so obvious no one will respond to you any longer.
In the meantime, enjoy it while you can.....
Tito, give me a tissue
Posted by: Tim Dec 2 2008, 05:45 PM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 2 2008, 06:13 PM)
Tito, give me a tissue
Thanks for proving my point.
Posted by: JoeJ Dec 2 2008, 06:45 PM
QUOTE(Tim @ Dec 2 2008, 05:45 PM)
Thanks for proving my point.
I guess I missed your point. Did you even have one? Well, I guess you made fun of me which was almost original. I am not sure where you get off by saying I am hiding behind my computer since everyone in here is doing that.
Lets set the record straight:
Is MC screwed up? Yes! You'd be a moron not to see that!
Is there a fix? Yes!
Can you or I do it by yapping about it on here? No!
What have you done to try to help fix it? I will bet less than I have tried, I have spoken to the Mayor, several council members, our congressman and other local business leaders.
What more do I intend to do about it? Not sure, at this point, as moving is an option since I live in one of the better neighborhoods we could sell reasonably quick (1 to 4 months). I have seen MC slowly circle the toilet for too long. I hate the fact that I moved back here and did not move when we had the chance, but I like my family(who lives in LP) and my church.
So, if you need a devil on here make it me. Frankly, I could care less.
I have heard someone on the WIMS call MC, a city of blunders. Well, we should just paint that on the welcome sign.
Who in their right mind would pick the prison over a state school? (could be just a urban myth)
Who builds a library in the middle of the main street?
Do we not have a city planner with an ounce of sense?
Call me a Jerk, but am I wrong? Could I have more tact? Sure, but sometimes you have to smack the ass to make it pull the wagon.
Joe
Posted by: Tim Dec 2 2008, 07:52 PM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 2 2008, 07:45 PM)
I guess I missed your point.
No surprise there.
Posted by: Max Main Dec 2 2008, 08:00 PM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 2 2008, 07:45 PM)
I am doing smack.
Joe
The answer to the riddle your presence posed is within your post. Case solved, O Troll!
Posted by: southsider2k7 Dec 2 2008, 08:13 PM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 2 2008, 06:45 PM)
Do we not have a city planner with an ounce of sense?
Michigan City made him mayor!
QUOTE
Call me a Jerk, but am I wrong? Could I have more tact? Sure, but sometimes you have to smack the ass to make it pull the wagon.
I think you are preaching to the wrong choir here with the attitude. I have yet to see a single person on this message board say that they are happy with the state that Michigan City is in. Since that is the case, it makes the floor show a waste of time. There is no need to show off.
QUOTE
I guess I missed your point. Did you even have one? Well, I guess you made fun of me which was almost original. I am not sure where you get off by saying I am hiding behind my computer since everyone in here is doing that.
Actually they aren't. Almost everyone here's name is known, even if we are using a screen name.
Posted by: Ang Dec 2 2008, 09:02 PM
Not only that, but some of us have met face to face and some of us will get together again in a few weeks to meet face to face. Some of us here socialize in public together, talk on the phone, many of us know each other personally, and some of us work together.
We do not hide behind the computer screen. We use this as a means of communication and friendship. Even Tim, whose Father was Our Fair City's Mayor in the 60's, does not hide behind his computer screen.
A lot of us now live out of town (Tim lives in Japan!). We use this site to keep in touch with what's going on "back home." Plus, despite the current condition of MC, we get homesick and our friends here are like a little medicine for that sickness. (sniff, sniff--I love you guys!)
This site was not created to fix Michigan City. This site was created as a means for like minded people to talk about what's going on. But Yes! some people are involved in "fixing" the city, too. Example; City Councilwoman Angie Nelson (RedDevilMC) is one of our members. Jim Arnold is a member, Kieth Harris is a member, Greg Tuel (marram) is a member, just to name a few. All of those people are involved in "fixing" Michigan City. Even our current Mayor is a member, though he doesn't post, I'm sure he reads. As well as his secretary and several other members of City Hall.
So, before you go slamming people and accusing us of things that have no basis, check your facts. Look at the members list and read the archives (that means older posts) and you will see that we do not hide behind our computer screens and monikers!
Posted by: JoeJ Dec 2 2008, 09:06 PM
QUOTE(Max Main @ Dec 2 2008, 08:00 PM)
The answer to the riddle your presence posed is within your post. Case solved, I am an O Troll!
We both can do creative editing - nice
Joe
Posted by: Tim Dec 2 2008, 09:07 PM
QUOTE(Ang @ Dec 2 2008, 10:02 PM)
Not only that, but some of us have met face to face and some of us will get together again in a few weeks to meet face to face. Some of us here socialize in public together, talk on the phone, many of us know each other personally, and some of us work together.
We do not hide behind the computer screen. We use this as a means of communication and friendship. Even Tim, whose Father was Our Fair City's Mayor in the 60's, does not hide behind his computer screen.
A lot of us now live out of town. We use this site to keep in touch with what's going on "back home." Plus, despite the current condition of MC, we get homesick and our friends here are like a little medicine for that sickness. (sniff, sniff--I love you guys!)
This site was not created to fix Michigan City. This site was created as a means for like minded people to talk about what's going on. But Yes! some people are involved in "fixing" the city, too. Example; City Councilwoman Angie Nelson (RedDevilMC) is one of our members. Jim Arnold is a member, Kieth Harris is a member, Greg Tuel (marram) is a member, just to name a few. All of those people are involved in "fixing" Michigan City. Even our current Mayor is a member, though he doesn't post, I'm sure he reads. As well as his secretary and several other members of City Hall.
So, before you go slamming people and accusing us of things that have no basis, check your facts. Look at the members list and read the archives (that means older posts) and you will see that we do not hide behind our computer screens and monikers!
Very well put, Ang. We indeed are a group - and even though we have our differences I feel everyone here respects each others' positions - EXCEPT this goof. For that reason, and in the spirit of the season, I vote we don't let him play in any of our reindeer games.
Posted by: Tom Burns Dec 2 2008, 09:25 PM
QUOTE(Tim @ Dec 2 2008, 09:07 PM)
Very well put, Ang. We indeed are a group - and even though we have our differences I feel everyone here respects each others' positions - EXCEPT this goof. For that reason, and in the spirit of the season, I vote we don't let him play in any of our reindeer games.
In social psychology that type is referred to as an overactive deviant. They twist facts and draw absurb conclusions in hope of swaying a group. When that fails they either conform or withdraw. They thrive on attention. Best to ignore them.
Posted by: JoeJ Dec 2 2008, 09:25 PM
Hey Burns,
Sorry, run your station any way you want.
Ultimately, I would care less. I listen to Ric in the AM then switch over to my iPod or WLS.
Joe
Posted by: southsider2k7 Dec 2 2008, 09:27 PM
QUOTE(Ang @ Dec 2 2008, 09:02 PM)
Not only that, but some of us have met face to face and some of us will get together again in a few weeks to meet face to face. Some of us here socialize in public together, talk on the phone, many of us know each other personally, and some of us work together.
We do not hide behind the computer screen. We use this as a means of communication and friendship. Even Tim, whose Father was Our Fair City's Mayor in the 60's, does not hide behind his computer screen.
A lot of us now live out of town (Tim lives in Japan!). We use this site to keep in touch with what's going on "back home." Plus, despite the current condition of MC, we get homesick and our friends here are like a little medicine for that sickness. (sniff, sniff--I love you guys!)
This site was not created to fix Michigan City. This site was created as a means for like minded people to talk about what's going on. But Yes! some people are involved in "fixing" the city, too. Example; City Councilwoman Angie Nelson (RedDevilMC) is one of our members. Jim Arnold is a member, Kieth Harris is a member, Greg Tuel (marram) is a member, just to name a few. All of those people are involved in "fixing" Michigan City. Even our current Mayor is a member, though he doesn't post, I'm sure he reads. As well as his secretary and several other members of City Hall.
So, before you go slamming people and accusing us of things that have no basis, check your facts. Look at the members list and read the archives (that means older posts) and you will see that we do not hide behind our computer screens and monikers!
I will say one thing. We are all NOT like-minded for the most part. There are some very diverse ideas and backgrounds on this site. I would hardly say my political mindset is the same as say Dave for example. There are some commonalities to be sure, but the one thing almost everyone does is try to show some respect to the other people on the site, at least for the most part. That has been my biggest disappointment with Joe's whole posting style. His opinions don't bother me, its his execution of them.
Posted by: Ang Dec 2 2008, 09:36 PM
QUOTE(southsider2k7 @ Dec 2 2008, 08:27 PM)
I will say one thing. We are all NOT like-minded for the most part. There are some very diverse ideas and backgrounds on this site. I would hardly say my political mindset is the same as say Dave for example. There are some commonalities to be sure, but the one thing almost everyone does is try to show some respect to the other people on the site, at least for the most part. That has been my biggest disappointment with Joe's whole posting style. His opinions don't bother me, its his execution of them.
Okay. Let me rephrase - We are a diverse group of people who share many of the same opinions.
Posted by: JoeJ Dec 2 2008, 09:43 PM
QUOTE(southsider2k7 @ Dec 2 2008, 09:27 PM)
I will say one thing. We are all NOT like-minded for the most part. There are some very diverse ideas and backgrounds on this site. I would hardly say my political mindset is the same as say Dave for example. There are some commonalities to be sure, but the one thing almost everyone does is try to show some respect to the other people on the site, at least for the most part. That has been my biggest disappointment with Joe's whole posting style. His opinions don't bother me, its his execution of them.
SS2007, you are probably right. I lack a certain amount of tact. I misunderstood the board and those that read it. Am I done here, maybe. I just feel that I am talking to hear myself speak or typing to just read what I wrote. Now, I am sure there are some on here with less tact and will attack even this post as I am trying to bow out with some grace.
You can paddle up stream, but what is the use you are not going to change the flow.
Posted by: Tim Dec 2 2008, 09:47 PM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 2 2008, 10:43 PM)
You can paddle up stream, but what is the use you are not going to change the flow.
But if the point isn't to change the flow but to get to a better place then whether you change the flow is no longer important.
The positive vs. the negative. All depends on your outlook.
Posted by: JoeJ Dec 2 2008, 10:01 PM
QUOTE(Tim @ Dec 2 2008, 09:47 PM)
But if the point isn't to change the flow but to get to a better place then whether you change the flow is no longer important.
The positive vs. the negative. All depends on your outlook.
5 years ago, I really thought we could do things in this city, but my house was broken into twice. The lazy cops just took my name and number, never dusted for prints, gave me a form to fill out and left.
I have seen buildings get bought by out of town money and then they sit empty when locals wanted to buy them, but they just never had the chance.
Our choice in mayor the last time around was the same old rerun and the a hand puppet. The 3rd guy was probably the best choice, but he never stood a chance.
Our murder rate go up, crime rate go up and money mismanaged.
A city council member get pulled not once but at least twice for drunk driving and he claims the cops and the mayor is after him. NO, you are a drunk loser who drives drunk.
Did I miss anything. Oh oh wait all the town around us grow, but us. I wonder why.
Now, I am serious as a heart attack when I say this. Is there a place on here that I can delete my information. I no longer wish to be one of 16o some odd people. I don't want to be banned, just no longer wish to be represented. I gave up on that dream a long time with special interest money telling my elected officials how to vote.
Joe
Posted by: Ang Dec 2 2008, 10:10 PM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 2 2008, 09:01 PM)
Now, I am serious as a heart attack when I say this. Is there a place on here that I can delete my information. I no longer wish to be one of 16o some odd people. I don't want to be banned, just no longer wish to be represented. I gave up on that dream a long time with special interest money telling my elected officials how to vote.
Joe
You can't do it, but SSder or I could delete you without banning you. Just say the word and it shall be done--if that's what you truly want.
And it's not that no one likes you, we don't like your style. If you can post without being condescending toward people you seem to have a beef with, there is no problem. Not all of your posts are mean, but you seem to have a personal problem with Tom Burns and IMO, it should be kept personal. Otherwise you are fine. If you can't keep your personal beefs with other members out of your posts, then I'd be happy to wish you good-bye.
Posted by: Tim Dec 2 2008, 10:53 PM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 2 2008, 11:01 PM)
5 years ago, I really thought we could do things in this city, but my house was broken into twice. The lazy cops just took my name and number, never dusted for prints, gave me a form to fill out and left.
I have seen buildings get bought by out of town money and then they sit empty when locals wanted to buy them, but they just never had the chance.
Our choice in mayor the last time around was the same old rerun and the a hand puppet. The 3rd guy was probably the best choice, but he never stood a chance.
Our murder rate go up, crime rate go up and money mismanaged.
A city council member get pulled not once but at least twice for drunk driving and he claims the cops and the mayor is after him. NO, you are a drunk loser who drives drunk.
Did I miss anything. Oh oh wait all the town around us grow, but us. I wonder why.
Now, I am serious as a heart attack when I say this. Is there a place on here that I can delete my information. I no longer wish to be one of 16o some odd people. I don't want to be banned, just no longer wish to be represented. I gave up on that dream a long time with special interest money telling my elected officials how to vote.
Joe
All valid points. And if this non-confrontational style had been your way to go from the beginning no one would have a problem with you, I think. While I don't think we can change MC on this site we can sure discuss MC issues that concern us.
Whether you choose to join that discussion is, of course, up to you.
Posted by: southsider2k7 Dec 3 2008, 07:19 AM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 2 2008, 09:43 PM)
SS2007, you are probably right. I lack a certain amount of tact. I misunderstood the board and those that read it. Am I done here, maybe. I just feel that I am talking to hear myself speak or typing to just read what I wrote. Now, I am sure there are some on here with less tact and will attack even this post as I am trying to bow out with some grace.
You can paddle up stream, but what is the use you are not going to change the flow.
Done here? Come on now. You have no problem going into full attack mode while hiding behind your keyboard, but can't take it when other people call you out on stuff you say? That's pretty weak. You know the saying about staying out of the kitchen, right?
Like I said, it isn't about what you say, its the nasty personal aspect that bothers me. Its also what most likely makes you a lightning rod for other people as well.
Posted by: JoeJ Dec 3 2008, 08:04 AM
QUOTE(southsider2k7 @ Dec 3 2008, 07:19 AM)
Done here? Come on now. You have no problem going into full attack mode while hiding behind your keyboard, but can't take it when other people call you out on stuff you say? That's pretty weak. You know the saying about staying out of the kitchen, right?
Like I said, it isn't about what you say, its the nasty personal aspect that bothers me. Its also what most likely makes you a lightning rod for other people as well.
It is called sleep, I need it and today I will be in South Bend for business. We will see what I do? I think whatever I do as "Joe" will be construed in a negative way. So, I may get another name and try to be a tad nicer, but overall good board. A alright city, just needs tons of work
Joe
Posted by: southsider2k7 Dec 3 2008, 08:07 AM
QUOTE(JoeJ @ Dec 3 2008, 08:04 AM)
It is called sleep, I need it and today I will be in South Bend for business. We will see what I do? I think whatever I do as "Joe" will be construed in a negative way. So, I may get another name and try to be a tad nicer, but overall good board. A alright city, just needs tons of work
Joe
I think we are a fair group. I don't think we will hold the past against you.
Posted by: Ang Dec 3 2008, 09:42 AM
QUOTE(southsider2k7 @ Dec 3 2008, 07:07 AM)
I think we are a fair group. I don't think we will hold the past against you.
Agreed!
Posted by: Roger Kaputnik Dec 3 2008, 10:28 AM
Ang, I just noticed your attribution! Nice.
Posted by: Ang Dec 3 2008, 10:58 AM
QUOTE(Roger Kaputnik @ Dec 3 2008, 09:28 AM)
Ang, I just noticed your attribution! Nice.
Thank you, Roger.
Posted by: eric.hanke Dec 3 2008, 10:07 PM
QUOTE(southsider2k7 @ Dec 2 2008, 08:13 PM)
Actually they aren't. Almost everyone here's name is known, even if we are using a screen name.
Roger???
Posted by: eric.hanke Dec 3 2008, 10:08 PM
QUOTE(Ang @ Dec 2 2008, 09:02 PM)
Not only that, but some of us have met face to face and some of us will get together again in a few weeks to meet face to face. Some of us here socialize in public together, talk on the phone, many of us know each other personally, and some of us work together.
We do not hide behind the computer screen. We use this as a means of communication and friendship. Even Tim, whose Father was Our Fair City's Mayor in the 60's, does not hide behind his computer screen.
A lot of us now live out of town (Tim lives in Japan!). We use this site to keep in touch with what's going on "back home." Plus, despite the current condition of MC, we get homesick and our friends here are like a little medicine for that sickness. (sniff, sniff--I love you guys!)
This site was not created to fix Michigan City. This site was created as a means for like minded people to talk about what's going on. But Yes! some people are involved in "fixing" the city, too. Example; City Councilwoman Angie Nelson (RedDevilMC) is one of our members. Jim Arnold is a member, Kieth Harris is a member, Greg Tuel (marram) is a member, just to name a few. All of those people are involved in "fixing" Michigan City. Even our current Mayor is a member, though he doesn't post, I'm sure he reads. As well as his secretary and several other members of City Hall.
So, before you go slamming people and accusing us of things that have no basis, check your facts. Look at the members list and read the archives (that means older posts) and you will see that we do not hide behind our computer screens and monikers!
Hey Ang! What about me???
Posted by: Ang Dec 3 2008, 11:29 PM
I didn't forget you. 
I was a little warm under the collar when I wrote that and my mind was working faster than my fingers could type. 
There are MANY people on this board who are doing their part to improve the quality of life in Michigan City. And those of us who can't be there appreciate the ability to give our two cents!
And as far as Roger goes....
I suspect I may know who this person is, however that is only a suspicion and I believe that Roger will remain truly anonymous till the day he stops posting. 
Posted by: southsider2k7 Dec 4 2008, 06:57 AM
QUOTE(eric.hanke @ Dec 3 2008, 10:07 PM)
Roger???
I did say almost
Posted by: Michelle Dec 4 2008, 08:30 PM
Sheesh, when did things get so snarky around here?
If people are going to be adversarial, I suggest saying it with Photoshop. At least it might add some humor to the situation.
Posted by: Roger Kaputnik Dec 5 2008, 08:27 AM
Forgive my inexcusable ignorance, but how could one use photoshop in the way you mention?
and see what happens sans toi?
Posted by: Ang Dec 5 2008, 09:47 AM
QUOTE(Michelle @ Dec 4 2008, 07:30 PM)
Sheesh, when did things get so snarky around here?
I think the snarky-ness was a temporary thing and we've fixed that little situation. It should be all sunshine and smiles from here on out.
Posted by: JoeJ Dec 5 2008, 02:35 PM
QUOTE(Ang @ Dec 5 2008, 09:47 AM)
I think the snarky-ness was a temporary thing and we've fixed that little situation. It should be all sunshine and smiles from here on out.
No, I am still here hiding behind my keyboard in broad daylight @ bw's, drinking beer, I am sure you all wish you were me
LOL
Joe
Posted by: Roger Kaputnik Dec 5 2008, 02:41 PM
bw's, huh. Put down the wing, put down the barley pop, go outside, get some oxygen!
Posted by: JoeJ Dec 5 2008, 02:50 PM
QUOTE(Roger Kaputnik @ Dec 5 2008, 02:41 PM)
bw's, huh. Put down the wing, put down the barley pop, go outside, get some oxygen!
Nah, it is overrated, not liking it is doing much good for you!
LOL
Living the life of Riley
Joe
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