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> Gentlemen's Strip Club wants to locate on U.S. 421 south of I-94, Close proximity to Coolspring Elementary
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post Nov 14 2011, 06:37 PM
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I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Bellah.

Do you people think Lake Station is a bad town with a tarnished image? Um, well they have a strip club that's been there for a long time, and it's only a couple miles from an elemantary school.

Clubs operate at night, schools during the day. By the time those kids get out of the school, the club employees are just waking up, and when they get to work, the kids should be in bed.

As for a club hurting the image of a truck stop????? I would think that it would improve business for the truck stop.

Michigan City has a bad image of drug dealers, gang bangers, and child killers. That was created by the people who in live in the town, not the people who open businesses in the town. I think all this controversy is ridiculous. Just let the folks have the club....Geeeze

It's not like they want to open it downtown by all the shopping. Hell, half the people in town won't even know it's there. Seriously, how often do you go south of 94?

Oh, and to my knowledge (I could be wrong), Gary doesn't have a Gentleman's club, but they do have drug dealers, gang bangers, and child killers. So again, it's not the business that tarnishes the town, it's the people. And instead of worrying about a Gentleman's club on the OUTSKIRTS of town, Cityzens should be concentrating on the drugs and violence that are going on within city limits.


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Gary has at least one strip club. And as to the last sentence, the things you speak of are not mutually exclusive. I want to see more effort put into eradicating drugs and violence AND I don't want a strip club here.

Somehow I don't think businesses will be lining up to bring jobs to a town with prisons, casinos, garbage dumps, malls and strip clubs. That is my number one concern here.
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post Nov 14 2011, 08:27 PM
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Put me in the "let 'em dance" category. It's just a strip club, guys. Bascially, just a bar with semi-naked women doing their thing. This is pretty far down on my list of things to deal with in MC, if it even makes the list at all.
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post Nov 14 2011, 09:11 PM
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Thanks for being able to say what I was trying to say so clearly, Ang! The issue seems to be with this club is another one of those "not in my backyard" campaigns. This club will not nearly attract the negative attention that people try to put on it. Simply put, that if it is run on the up and up it WILL be a benefit to some of the businesses in the community, create income for certain folks, (who might very well be living of the back of us taxpayers without the job) and offer some people (not just truckers, folks!) that would maybe not stop in our "little slice of heaven", a motivation to do so and bring their cash with them!

So, the argument about the school, the parks, blah, blah, blah, being "right there", GET OVER IT PEOPLE! I work across areas in Lake, Porter and LaPorte County everyday and see more dangerous, suggestive, negative, and "unmoral" things take place right across from schools, parks, community areas, and so forth then a strip club. The basic issue here is that some people dont agree with the premise of the business, simply put. It is unfortunate, again, that if ANYONE is willing to invest in our area (city, county, whatever it may be) then we should not be fighting against them, but with them.

Glad to know I have some support, I am sure that it wont be enough, and they wonder why we cant seem to get business to come here?

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QUOTE(Ang @ Nov 14 2011, 06:37 PM) *

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Bellah.

Do you people think Lake Station is a bad town with a tarnished image? Um, well they have a strip club that's been there for a long time, and it's only a couple miles from an elemantary school.

Clubs operate at night, schools during the day. By the time those kids get out of the school, the club employees are just waking up, and when they get to work, the kids should be in bed.

As for a club hurting the image of a truck stop????? I would think that it would improve business for the truck stop.

Michigan City has a bad image of drug dealers, gang bangers, and child killers. That was created by the people who in live in the town, not the people who open businesses in the town. I think all this controversy is ridiculous. Just let the folks have the club....Geeeze

It's not like they want to open it downtown by all the shopping. Hell, half the people in town won't even know it's there. Seriously, how often do you go south of 94?

Oh, and to my knowledge (I could be wrong), Gary doesn't have a Gentleman's club, but they do have drug dealers, gang bangers, and child killers. So again, it's not the business that tarnishes the town, it's the people. And instead of worrying about a Gentleman's club on the OUTSKIRTS of town, Cityzens should be concentrating on the drugs and violence that are going on within city limits.

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post Nov 15 2011, 09:36 AM
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Bing! That's the sound of a nail being hit on the head, Bellah

Businesses don't want to come here not because of what we do have already, but because when people DO want to come, the town folks are against it. I am thinking about the last 5 years or so and many opportunities come to mind that were shot down. Those opportunities went somewhere else and are successful and great for the economy in the communities where they ended up.

This is one of the things that frustrates me about Michigan City. People cry about the town yet are reluctant to let anyone in. Ya never know, the guy who owns a great big factory who is looking for a place to move it to might enjoy going to Gentleman's clubs and decide to come to City because they have one.


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QUOTE(Bellah @ Nov 14 2011, 09:11 PM) *

Thanks for being able to say what I was trying to say so clearly, Ang! The issue seems to be with this club is another one of those "not in my backyard" campaigns. This club will not nearly attract the negative attention that people try to put on it. Simply put, that if it is run on the up and up it WILL be a benefit to some of the businesses in the community, create income for certain folks, (who might very well be living of the back of us taxpayers without the job) and offer some people (not just truckers, folks!) that would maybe not stop in our "little slice of heaven", a motivation to do so and bring their cash with them!

So, the argument about the school, the parks, blah, blah, blah, being "right there", GET OVER IT PEOPLE! I work across areas in Lake, Porter and LaPorte County everyday and see more dangerous, suggestive, negative, and "unmoral" things take place right across from schools, parks, community areas, and so forth then a strip club. The basic issue here is that some people dont agree with the premise of the business, simply put. It is unfortunate, again, that if ANYONE is willing to invest in our area (city, county, whatever it may be) then we should not be fighting against them, but with them.

Glad to know I have some support, I am sure that it wont be enough, and they wonder why we cant seem to get business to come here?

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I'm not trying to be the morality police at all. If people want to go to these places, have at it. For my two cents, I believe any economic benefits will be more than ate up by things like additional police officers, and people who avoid the area due to the perception of the businesses we have here painting the wrong picture about our community.

And just because there are other problems in the community, doesn't mean we should quit caring about what new comes in here. I would rather have no investment, than one that will be a net detriment to our area, and I believe this place will be exactly that. The reason we are attracting places like strip clubs instead of real professional jobs is because of the perceptions we have of ourselves. We need to believe we are better than this before anyone else will.
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post Nov 15 2011, 04:10 PM
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I hate these places, but on the bright side a strip club could inspire some of MC'S larger wives to diet!
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QUOTE(southsiderMMX @ Nov 15 2011, 11:23 AM) *

I'm not trying to be the morality police at all. If people want to go to these places, have at it. For my two cents, I believe any economic benefits will be more than ate up by things like additional police officers, and people who avoid the area due to the perception of the businesses we have here painting the wrong picture about our community.

And just because there are other problems in the community, doesn't mean we should quit caring about what new comes in here. I would rather have no investment, than one that will be a net detriment to our area, and I believe this place will be exactly that. The reason we are attracting places like strip clubs instead of real professional jobs is because of the perceptions we have of ourselves. We need to believe we are better than this before anyone else will.


Dude, additional police officers? LOL ... what is it that you think goes on there? Clubs like that handle their own security and I'm having a hard time believing additional officers will be needed. By that logic, we should shut down Reilly's, right? All kinds of trouble over there. Also, why isn't anyone kicking up any fuss over the Love Boutique or whatever on 20 (next to Dino's). I believe at one time there were "dancers" there, too. Has that been the ruin of MC?

And painting the wrong picture about our community? Well, what are we, man? An industrious place? No. A place for professionals? Not so much. A place where tourists come to spend their leisure time/dollars? Well, that seems to be the hope, right? We have a casino and more bars than I care to count, so what's another one that features nude dancing? I don't know. I just don't understand the uproar here.

Seems like another perfect example of the C.A.V.E. theory.
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Dude, additional police officers? LOL ... what is it that you think goes on there? Clubs like that handle their own security and I'm having a hard time believing additional officers will be needed. By that logic, we should shut down Reilly's, right? All kinds of trouble over there. Also, why isn't anyone kicking up any fuss over the Love Boutique or whatever on 20 (next to Dino's). I believe at one time there were "dancers" there, too. Has that been the ruin of MC?

And painting the wrong picture about our community? Well, what are we, man? An industrious place? No. A place for professionals? Not so much. A place where tourists come to spend their leisure time/dollars? Well, that seems to be the hope, right? We have a casino and more bars than I care to count, so what's another one that features nude dancing? I don't know. I just don't understand the uproar here.

Seems like another perfect example of the C.A.V.E. theory.


Heck, with all of the problems that have happened at Reilly's, I won't be sad if it shuts down, that's for sure. I know this City has allowed things that don't make sense in the past, but that shouldn't justify making the same mistakes again. We have got to present ourselves as having higher standards if we want to transition from being a tourist town at best, and trying to make ourselves as a final destination, instead of some sort of a mini-Vegas. City is better than that. It sounds bad, but I do wish we put as much effort into attracting good employment, instead of denying stuff like this. No doubt we have failed there, but does anything think a place like Chesterton or Valpo would allow this? If we aspire to be that type of a community, we need to start modeling the ways the operate.
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Bing! That's the sound of a nail being hit on the head, Bellah

Businesses don't want to come here not because of what we do have already, but because when people DO want to come, the town folks are against it. I am thinking about the last 5 years or so and many opportunities come to mind that were shot down. Those opportunities went somewhere else and are successful and great for the economy in the communities where they ended up.

This is one of the things that frustrates me about Michigan City. People cry about the town yet are reluctant to let anyone in. Ya never know, the guy who owns a great big factory who is looking for a place to move it to might enjoy going to Gentleman's clubs and decide to come to City because they have one.



Exactly!!! couldn't have said it better myself, just another example of the Citizens Against Virtually Everything. Everybody gets so worked up over everything around this area, look at all the dumb excuses people were making up not to have the new truck stop, geesh people, relax!!!!
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Exactly!!! couldn't have said it better myself, just another example of the Citizens Against Virtually Everything. Everybody gets so worked up over everything around this area, look at all the dumb excuses people were making up not to have the new truck stop, geesh people, relax!!!!


It has nothing to do with being against "everything". It has everything with trying to get some standards in this town. You want to know why strip clubs and garbage dumps want to move here? Because too many people think we deserve them. Do you think Chesterton or Valpo would have welcomed Phoenix with open arms? If we really want to emulate these towns and move forward, we can't sell ourselves out for substandard reasons.

The problem is the powers that be are failing us right now. With the employer situation in Illinois right now, we should be on the phone BEGGING companies to come to Michigan City. With the tax advantages and labor cost differences, it should be a slam dunk. We should be hitting employers the same way we hit tourists. There are plenty of ads to vacation here, but I have never seen one to move here and bring your business here.

It is because of the failing in economic development, that establishments like this one get taken seriously.
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It has nothing to do with being against "everything". It has everything with trying to get some standards in this town. You want to know why strip clubs and garbage dumps want to move here? Because too many people think we deserve them. Do you think Chesterton or Valpo would have welcomed Phoenix with open arms? If we really want to emulate these towns and move forward, we can't sell ourselves out for substandard reasons.

The problem is the powers that be are failing us right now. With the employer situation in Illinois right now, we should be on the phone BEGGING companies to come to Michigan City. With the tax advantages and labor cost differences, it should be a slam dunk. We should be hitting employers the same way we hit tourists. There are plenty of ads to vacation here, but I have never seen one to move here and bring your business here.

It is because of the failing in economic development, that establishments like this one get taken seriously.

Obtaining good local jobs will cure many of the evils MC faces. And I mean high skilled jobs, not these low tech third world jobs which were around here in the middle of the last century. The unskilled labor force cannot compete with places like China, Viet Nam, etc.
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It has nothing to do with being against "everything". It has everything with trying to get some standards in this town. You want to know why strip clubs and garbage dumps want to move here? Because too many people think we deserve them. Do you think Chesterton or Valpo would have welcomed Phoenix with open arms? If we really want to emulate these towns and move forward, we can't sell ourselves out for substandard reasons.

The problem is the powers that be are failing us right now. With the employer situation in Illinois right now, we should be on the phone BEGGING companies to come to Michigan City. With the tax advantages and labor cost differences, it should be a slam dunk. We should be hitting employers the same way we hit tourists. There are plenty of ads to vacation here, but I have never seen one to move here and bring your business here.

It is because of the failing in economic development, that establishments like this one get taken seriously.

You talk about Chesterton and Valpo and want City to be more like those towns, but you need to realize that the people who live in those communities have a higher income level than most people who live in City. Those communities can afford to be upscale because the people who live there are wealthier. I realize we have our share of rich people too, but our middle class is a lot smaller than Chesterton or Valpo. And you can argue that the middle class is smaller because all City has is tourism and retail, but even when there was manufacturing, those other communities were more affluent--they always have been. City will never be like Valpo, and Chesterton is really too small of a community to compare--seriously, have you been there lately? All of their fast food places are within a couple block radius.

I'm sure the new Mayor has all sorts of plans to improve the quality of Michigan City. As a life long resident and former City employee he has a vested interest besides just being the Mayor and I hope that he will do something to attract more employment opportunities.

Having said all that, I still don't understand what the hype is about a club on the edge of town. It's not a house of ill repute, it's just a place to drink and watch half naked women dance. If you don't like that kind of establishment, don't go there. MC Born mentioned that place on 20 across from the mall. Um, I'd say that place is more like a house of ill repute and no one complained when that went in. It sorta snuck under the radar and no one's really noticed.


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Again, past failures by administrations are not a valid reason for making more mistakes. And for the record, Meer did vote in the CBTL poll against this facility.

The reason we aren't as good as surrounding communities is because we don't believe we are that good. MCs worst enemy is its own citizens. The reason we don't have a middle class in this town is two fold. The first again is a complete failure by economic development to recruit and attracts local businesses. The second is the type of businesses we tend to accept. I was fine with the truck stop. The garbage transfer station and strip club? No thanks. If we are going to build into middle class town again, it isn't going to be on the backs of naked girls. In fact quite the opposite.
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QUOTE(southsiderMMX @ Nov 16 2011, 10:06 AM) *

Again, past failures by administrations are not a valid reason for making more mistakes. And for the record, Meer did vote in the CBTL poll against this facility.

The reason we aren't as good as surrounding communities is because we don't believe we are that good. MCs worst enemy is its own citizens. The reason we don't have a middle class in this town is two fold. The first again is a complete failure by economic development to recruit and attracts local businesses. The second is the type of businesses we tend to accept. I was fine with the truck stop. The garbage transfer station and strip club? No thanks. If we are going to build into middle class town again, it isn't going to be on the backs of naked girls. In fact quite the opposite.


Well put.
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Since, as I understand it from friends of acquaintances of people I may have run into on the street once or twice, most strippers only enter the profession to pay for college, doesn't logic therefore follow that a strip club in Michigan City would increase the overall number of college educated individuals in the city, thereby increasing our potential middle class?


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QUOTE(mcstumper @ Nov 16 2011, 09:44 PM) *

Since, as I understand it from friends of acquaintances of people I may have run into on the street once or twice, most strippers only enter the profession to pay for college, doesn't logic therefore follow that a strip club in Michigan City would increase the overall number of college educated individuals in the city, thereby increasing our potential middle class?


"most strippers only enter the profession to pay for college"

You cannot be serious.
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http://thenewsdispatch.com/articles/2011/1...c4387471596.txt

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Harbor manager speaks out against proposed strip club

By Tim Moran
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Published: Sunday, November 13, 2011 5:07 PM CST
MICHIGAN CITY — A proposed gentleman’s club is planned by an Illinois businessman on U.S. 421 near Interstate 94, and at least one nearby business manager is not happy about it.

If the La Porte County Board of Zoning Appeals approves a variance request at its Tuesday, Nov. 15, meeting, the property at 3205 N. U.S. 421 will change hands from local owners Jack Sturken and Barbara LaGrossa to John Burys, Alsip, Ill.

Burys has indicated through the meeting’s agenda he plans to operate a “gentleman’s club” at the location once new zoning ordinances designating the area as a B3 zone take effect.

Tom Little, operations manager at nearby Harbor Chevrolet Buick GMC, opposes the request filed Oct. 26. He points out that U.S. 421 gives access to “several” educational and recreational centers in the area, including Purdue University-North Central, Patriot Park and Coolspring Elementary School.

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“There are several facilities that road gives access to,” he said. “Many of those involve young kids.”

He says the Harbor dealership has “always tried to keep a clean image,” and a business like that would “put a tarnish on that.”

Vehicles parked in the Harbor parking lot also could be at risk, Little claims, because the proposed “adult cabaret,” as it is referred to in Burys’ petition, is in “baseball throwing distance.”

According to the petition, Burys and Phoenix Ventures LLC also request to be “allowed signage that will be permitted in the future B3 zones.”

But Little says having a place like that could lead to safety issues.

“The mixing of alcohol and excitement can lead to negative results,” he said. “If you look at where other similar type businesses are, we could experience more crime because of it.”

Little says at least two Harbor representatives will attend Tuesday’s meeting, which is at 6 p.m. at La Porte County Complex, to speak against the variance proposal.

Repeated attempts to reach Burys were unsuccessful.
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Opposition organizes in response to gentlemen's club

By Tim Moran
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Published: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:08 PM CST
LA PORTE — Tonight’s meeting of the La Porte County Board of Zoning Appeals may be a little more crowded than usual.

That’s because a petition has been circulating online entitled “Stop the proposed gentlemen’s club on (U.S.) 421 in Michigan City, IN.” The effort garnered more than 100 signatures in its first 18 hours of existence.

The petition’s opposition refers to a variance on the agenda for tonight’s La Porte BZA meeting that if approved, would allow John Burys and Phoenix Ventures, LLC to open and operate a “gentlemen’s club” at 3205 N. U.S. Highway 421 in Coolspring Township. Repeated attempts to contact Burys have been unsuccessful.

John Avila, a Michigan City dentist, is one of the names appearing on the petition against the proposed variance. Avila says the “adult cabaret” would be “a bad way to present Michigan City to visitors and passer-bys.”

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“It could encourage people to pass us by and go somewhere else,” he said.

Although Avila was not the author of the petition, which can be found on petitionbureau.org, he is the creator of a Facebook event which has invited more than 100 people to attend tonight’s BZA meeting.

“I am urging a huge turnout to demonstrate opposition to issuing the variance,” the event’s information reads.

Avila says the proposed business’ harm is not limited to diverting would-be visitors.

“It is bad socially as well,” he said. “It teaches girls to relate to males that way, and boys to objectify women.”

After creating the “event,” Avila said he has heard two “joking” responses for the variance, but “most have been against it.”

In addition to the signatures, the Michigan City Area Schools board of education has issued a letter against the measure compiled by board secretary Bill Greene.

Tom Little, operations manager for Harbor Chevrolet Buick GMC, a car dealership in close proximity to the proposed site, has also voiced his opposition.

The La Porte County BZA will meet tonight at 6 p.m. at the La Porte County Complex.

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Zoning board denies variance for proposed 'gentlemen's club'

By Brianne Eichman
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Published: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:08 PM CST
La PORTE — The La Porte County Board of Zoning Appeals voted unanimously to deny a variance request for a "gentleman's club" at its meeting on Tuesday, mainly due to the location and the safety of the surrounding community.

The variance request would have allowed the property at 3205 N. U.S. 421 in Michigan City to transfer from local owners Jack Sturken and Barbara LaGrossa to businessman John Burys.

Burys said he chose the location out of nearly 40 locations he researched, but the board believed the location would be injurious to the public health and safety.

The reason was that several incidents and collisions have occured at the intersection of 300 North and U.S. 421. Also, the board said they had to consider Coolspring Elementary School, Purdue University North Central, Patriot Park and Reins of Life, all of which are within fairly close proximity to the proposed location.

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Many land owners, parents of school children and business owners approached the board at the meeting with their request to deny the petition.

Some who spoke said they did not disapprove of the business except for the location, and they would ask Burys to seek another location if he wanted to have the business. Others said they disapproved of the business entirely, and they wanted to see positive businesses in the area which would help build the integrity of the community.

Also mentioned was the fact that Burys was proposing the club to be built at what many considered to be the "gateway" of Michigan City. Many people said they feared this would drive businesses away.

Dwayne Hogan, president board of zoning appeals, applauded concerned individuals who came forward to speak at the meeting and said their voices were heard.

"When we get tough issues in front of us as a family, I think the family came together as a result of what's in this room by evidence of what's here in this room this evening," said Hogan.


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