[Southsider2k12]

After 2.5 hours of comments and questions, the Lp Co BZA board voted 5-0 to deny the Gentleman's club proposed at 421 and 94. The main reason given in the motion was because of how dangerous the intersection is at 300N and 421, though it wasn't cited during any of the public or board comments.

[Tim]

My response -

[mc46360]

Well, once again, another new business shot down.

This town/county will never change, that's why there will never be any real growth around here, except for new medical facilities of course.

[Tim]

Well, once again, another new business shot down.

This town/county will never change, that's why there will never be any real growth around here, except for new medical facilities of course.

Sleazy strip clubs are not what Our Fair City needs to facilitate the growth you speak of.

[Ang]

Nope, what we need is more narrow-minded people who stereotype everything and everyone.

[Tim]

I don't think it's either stereotypical or narrow-minded to brand these sleaze halls as exactly what they are.

[Bellah]

I don't think it's either stereotypical or narrow-minded to brand these sleaze halls as exactly what they are.

Really?
Is the beach a "sleaze" place because people there wear bikini's? and drink? and people watch other good looking people in bikini's (or often less)? What about the numerous bars in the area, are those sleazy too? The casino, whose payments back to the city make up a large amount of funding for various community resources, is that sleazy too? what about the outfits those cocktail waitresses wear? is that sleazy?

I, and frankly anyone (child or adult) see more "sleaze" on primetime TV. Shall we ban that in "Our FAIR City", too? I wonder.

Bellah

[Tim]

Really?
Is the beach a "sleaze" place because people there wear bikini's? and drink? and people watch other good looking people in bikini's (or often less)? What about the numerous bars in the area, are those sleazy too? The casino, whose payments back to the city make up a large amount of funding for various community resources, is that sleazy too? what about the outfits those cocktail waitresses wear? is that sleazy?

I, and frankly anyone (child or adult) see more "sleaze" on primetime TV. Shall we ban that in "Our FAIR City", too? I wonder.

Bellah

Comparing people going to the beach and what the women who strip in strip clubs do as the same thing is really weak.

[Ang]

Tim, you make it sound like those girls who strip in strip clubs are bad people. They're not. They're just trying to earn a living like anyone else. With the economy the way it is, people have to do what they can to make money. Just because they have beautiful bodies and like to show them off while dancing and getting paid for doesn't mean they are sleazy. Bellah has a point, and it's not weak. And she didn't just say the beach, she mentioned several things, including the waitresses at It's Vegas Baby. Those girls wear next to nothing and what they do wear is so tight they might as well be naked. They strut their stuff, flirt with both men and women, and make a pretty good living doing it. Is that sleazy? Girls pick the skimpiest bikinis they can to go to the beach so men will look at them, flirt with them, and maybe spend money on them. And have you ever watched Jerzy Shore? (I'm sure being in Japan you may not have seen it, but I'll bet you've heard of it) Talk about Sleaze!!!
And to answer your question in the other thread, yes, my sister stripped. She had a runway show and made almost $3 grand a weekend taking her clothes off. I don't even make that in a month! She is not a sleaze, she is not a whore, she is not a bad person. She is a smart, saavy businesswoman who figured out a way to make a lot of money in a short period of time. I admire her for it. Personally, I could never do it--not because I think it's wrong but because I'm too self-conscious of my own body to flaunt it like that. However, it worked for her, and it works for others.
Don't you hate it when people stereotype you as a drug addict and party animal just because you're a rocker? You know they do so don't try to deny it happens. Well, you're doing the same thing to these women.

[Treehugger]

After 2.5 hours of comments and questions, the Lp Co BZA board voted 5-0 to deny the Gentleman's club proposed at 421 and 94. The main reason given in the motion was because of how dangerous the intersection is at 300N and 421, though it wasn't cited during any of the public or board comments.

How dangerous the intersection is was actually cited during one public comment. I heard it. I was there!

My opposition to strip clubs, as I laid it out, is pretty simple. The same attitude that encourages women to allow themselves to be objectified by men in this way has made it pretty much OK for us all to treat women any which way they want, since we're so willing to put it right in the open. I think it has irreversibly affected the relationships men and women have with themselves and with each other. Strip clubs are not solely responsible for societal decline, they are merely the most visible symptoms of the illness. And of all the nastiness being blared at us from all sides, keeping a strip club out of a major entry to our city is about the only thing we can control.

I don't care if strip clubs exist. They have a right to. But they don't have a right to sit at our city's entrance.

[Tim]

Tim, you make it sound like those girls who strip in strip clubs are bad people.

Nope.

Beyond that, your sister would be the exception to the rule. If the image of those places were Girls Prepping For College it would be different. There's a reason the entire, or mostly entire, community came up against this place.

The beach comment is, indeed, weak - how many women at the beach are topless?

Regarding what people think of me because of how I look or the music I play, I stopped giving a crap about that in about 1970.

[Southsider2k12]

How dangerous the intersection is was actually cited during one public comment. I heard it. I was there!

My opposition to strip clubs, as I laid it out, is pretty simple. The same attitude that encourages women to allow themselves to be objectified by men in this way has made it pretty much OK for us all to treat women any which way they want, since we're so willing to put it right in the open. I think it has irreversibly affected the relationships men and women have with themselves and with each other. Strip clubs are not solely responsible for societal decline, they are merely the most visible symptoms of the illness. And of all the nastiness being blared at us from all sides, keeping a strip club out of a major entry to our city is about the only thing we can control.

I don't care if strip clubs exist. They have a right to. But they don't have a right to sit at our city's entrance.

I totally missed it.

[Tim]

Here's another thing, Ang - I never said anything about the women. I said these places. The image of a fat, middle-aged man leaving his family at home to sit in a bar and ogle girls his daughters' ages take their clothes off while leaving moist dollar bills on the bar. THAT is the image I'm talking about. Your sister is an isolated case, but I know if my fiance' danced on a bar in from of drunk, horny old men and stuck her bare breasts in their faces she'd no longer be my fiance'.

[Tim]

Here's another thing, Ang - I never said anything about the women. I said these places. The image of a fat, middle-aged man leaving his family at home to sit in a bar and ogle girls his daughters' ages take their clothes off while leaving moist dollar bills on the bar. THAT is the image I'm talking about. Your sister is an isolated case, but I know if my fiance' danced on a bar in front of drunk, horny old men and stuck her bare breasts in their faces she'd no longer be my fiance'.

[Ang]

Here's another thing, Ang - I never said anything about the women. I said these places. The image of a fat, middle-aged man leaving his family at home to sit in a bar and ogle girls his daughters' ages take their clothes off while leaving moist dollar bills on the bar. THAT is the image I'm talking about. Your sister is an isolated case, but I know if my fiance' danced on a bar in from of drunk, horny old men and stuck her bare breasts in their faces she'd no longer be my fiance'.

Thanks for clarifying who/what you meant as sleazy. I agree that some of the places are sleazy, like the one on 20 across the street from the MALL, a place where families go to shop, and next to a couple restaurants, where families go to eat. How come that one got to open? It's in the middle of a heavy traffic area, right downtown by shopping and eating places. And not only that, but this place has women behind glass doing more than just dancing topless and they're allowed to remain open. No one protested it opening, no one has protested since it's been open. Why? Is it because it's not at the beginning of town but in the middle? Is it because they don't advertise what goes on inside, although the name alone says enough.
While I see the points some of you have made about the Phoenix place, how is it fair?

[Tim]

Thanks for clarifying who/what you meant as sleazy. I agree that some of the places are sleazy, like the one on 20 across the street from the MALL, a place where families go to shop, and next to a couple restaurants, where families go to eat. How come that one got to open? It's in the middle of a heavy traffic area, right downtown by shopping and eating places. And not only that, but this place has women behind glass doing more than just dancing topless and they're allowed to remain open. No one protested it opening, no one has protested since it's been open. Why? Is it because it's not at the beginning of town but in the middle? Is it because they don't advertise what goes on inside, although the name alone says enough.
While I see the points some of you have made about the Phoenix place, how is it fair?

I'm not here to say whether it's fair or not. It's done.

[MCRogers1974]

I'm not here to say whether it's fair or not. It's done.

Amen, it is DONE!

[Treehugger]

Thanks for clarifying who/what you meant as sleazy. I agree that some of the places are sleazy, like the one on 20 across the street from the MALL, a place where families go to shop, and next to a couple restaurants, where families go to eat. How come that one got to open? It's in the middle of a heavy traffic area, right downtown by shopping and eating places. And not only that, but this place has women behind glass doing more than just dancing topless and they're allowed to remain open. No one protested it opening, no one has protested since it's been open. Why? Is it because it's not at the beginning of town but in the middle? Is it because they don't advertise what goes on inside, although the name alone says enough.
While I see the points some of you have made about the Phoenix place, how is it fair?

Actually, from what I know about DejaVu, they no longer have dancers. I thought it was due to the county's ordinance, but I'm not sure. Anyone else know????

[mcstumper]

This reminds me of a great episode of the Simpsons, "Bart After Dark"

Mayor "Diamond Joe" Quimby: Er, uh, well... eh, in light of these new facts, of which I now realize
I was largely aware, I must take action. All in favor of demolishing our beloved burlesque house, raise your hands.

Few do, until the Citizens' Committee on Moral Hygiene turn around and stare. All hands spring up.

Jasper: [whispering] Are they talking about the bordello?
Abe: No! The burlesque house. So just keep your mouth shut.

[mcstumper]

Actually, from what I know about DejaVu, they no longer have dancers. I thought it was due to the county's ordinance, but I'm not sure. Anyone else know????

**cough cough**
uncomfortable throat clearing
whistling while swaying back and forth and looking at the ceiling

Hmmm? What? Uh, no... no, idea.