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Southsider2k12
Are people excited, upset, depressed, or just indifferent?

JHeath
I'm wondering what will happen to that development. With the former Valueland store having been vacant since shortly after Meijer opened, a few other stores empty, and another one leaving soon , what's to become of it?
MC Born & Raised
QUOTE(JHeath @ Feb 8 2008, 09:38 AM) *

I'm wondering what will happen to that development. With the former Valueland store having been vacant since shortly after Meijer opened, a few other stores empty, and another one leaving soon , what's to become of it?


Well, I'm thinking Batteries Plus won't be able to carry that plaza all by its lonesome. ;-)

It's too bad, really. You'd think something could survive/thrive in that spot. I'd still like to see a Best Buy or a Circuit City come in somewhere, and that's as good a spot as any.
Southsider2k12
Those chains aren't going to move into a place like that. Part of the reason you almost always see large chains building new developments is they can claim the depreciation of a new building on their taxes.
Dave
QUOTE(southsider2k7 @ Feb 8 2008, 11:05 AM) *

Those chains aren't going to move into a place like that. Part of the reason you almost always see large chains building new developments is they can claim the depreciation of a new building on their taxes.


Thanks! I've always wondered why the chains would prefer building new to buying used.

ChickenCityRoller
I'm boycotting it.

First presidential canidate who says we have to get rid of Walwort gets my vote.
Southsider2k12
QUOTE(ChickenCityRoller @ Feb 14 2008, 10:53 AM) *

I'm boycotting it.

First presidential canidate who says we have to get rid of Walwort gets my vote.


So I take it you aren't voting for Hillary?
Ang
QUOTE(southsider2k7 @ Feb 14 2008, 10:35 AM) *

So I take it you aren't voting for Hillary?


laugh.gif

Personally, I'm not fond of Walnart either. And we have TWO super Walnarts in this town. I buy my groceries at Smith's--which is another name for Kroger. They have this discount card that you can use at affiliated gas stations to save 3 cents a gallon. Then, when you buy food there, you get another fuel discount on your receipt. It depends on how much you spend, but they have up to 15 cents off a gallon. When used with your card, you can get up to 18 cents off a gallon!
All the other stuff I need I usually buy at Family Dollar. They have all the same brands I use at a lower price than Walnart. I only shop at that place out of ABSOLUTE NECESSITY.
ChickenCityRoller
QUOTE(southsider2k7 @ Feb 14 2008, 11:35 AM) *

So I take it you aren't voting for Hillary?



Of course I am! laugh.gif Hillary for you and ME!
Turn your volume up all the way and get down with your badself!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FvyGydc8no


that's her death rattle right there. Can we ad a puke smilie? laugh.gif
JHeath
QUOTE(ChickenCityRoller @ Feb 14 2008, 03:07 PM) *

that's her death rattle right there. Can we ad a puke smilie? laugh.gif

I second that. btw...how do you find this stuff?? laugh.gif
Southsider2k12
QUOTE(JHeath @ Feb 14 2008, 03:22 PM) *

I second that. btw...how do you find this stuff?? laugh.gif


We have a lot of that on my other sites, I'll see about exporting a packet of new smilies.
Ang
I got as far as them singing the first line and had to close out. My stomach started churning and my ears started to bleed!
Dave
My reaction was different from yours, Ang.

Felt more like having a railroad spike driven through my temple.
Southsider2k12
http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;TM=54108.65

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Updated Wal-Mart Opens Wednesday
MICHIGAN CITY - The new Michigan City Wal-Mart Supercenter will open Wednesday.

Community leaders and local dignitaries will join Wal-Mart Store Manager Shanon Thiel and associates at the 7:30 a.m. grand opening ceremony.

At the grand opening, Wal-Mart will present $18,000 in grants to local organizations.

Wal-Mart originally opened in 1990 at 5780 Franklin St. The new store is farther south and east off of County Road 400 North.

"We are pleased that Wal-Mart's belief in our community has resulted in this new Supercenter," Mayor Chuck Oberlie said. "While the economic benefits derived are mutual to Wal-Mart and the populace of Michigan City, the long-term impact of their presence should herald a new era of retail expansion and growth."

Thiel said the relocation added 72,000 square feet to the store.

"This is a great day for our store and our customers," he said.

He said the new store will have wider aisles, a grocery story, bakery, Tire & Lube Express, a vision center, a pharmacy with two drive-through lanes, an expanded lawn and garden center, a one-hour photo lab, and an expanded electronics and home entertainment department. The store will be open 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Thiel said the store plans to employ 380 associates, 180 of whom are new hires as a result of the relocation.

At Wednesday's ceremony, $18,000 in grants will be distributed to the Boys & Girls Club, La Porte County Child Abuse Prevention Council, Michiana Resources, Michigan City Area Schools, Michigan City Fire Department, Michigan City High School, Michigan City Police Department and the Michigan City Zoological Society.
lovethiscity
QUOTE(southsider2k7 @ Feb 8 2008, 11:05 AM) *

Those chains aren't going to move into a place like that. Part of the reason you almost always see large chains building new developments is they can claim the depreciation of a new building on their taxes.

And with a new development at a lower Coutny tax rate being planned just up the street at 94, why would a new store go to the Wal-nart plaza?
Southsider2k12
So we went and checked it out the other day, and I didn't come away that impressed. There were no big sales at all, and the traffic patterns were a horrible, horrible mess. Its a Wal-Mart with a grocery store, and they really didn't go out of their way to try to win any new business.
JHeath
I'm glad to hear that. I have to admit...I'll continue shopping at Al's. I've no interest in Super Wal-Nart.
Ang
QUOTE(southsider2k7 @ Mar 8 2008, 06:08 PM) *

So we went and checked it out the other day, and I didn't come away that impressed. There were no big sales at all, and the traffic patterns were a horrible, horrible mess. Its a Wal-Mart with a grocery store, and they really didn't go out of their way to try to win any new business.



Why would they? Now that they've moved from across from Meijer, they don't have the competition factor. Add the fact that Meijer never has enough product to support their sales, Wal-Nart doesn't feel they need to do anything special. You should WANT to go there just because they now sell meat and dairy and are in a new fancy store. You should WANT to go there because it's a New & Improved Wal-Nart.
edgeywood
QUOTE(Ang @ Mar 10 2008, 09:21 AM) *

Why would they? Now that they've moved from across from Meijer, they don't have the competition factor. Add the fact that Meijer never has enough product to support their sales, Wal-Nart doesn't feel they need to do anything special. You should WANT to go there just because they now sell meat and dairy and are in a new fancy store. You should WANT to go there because it's a New & Improved Wal-Nart.



I can't even deal with Jewel, must less Wal-Nart. I can go to Al's, buy groceries and be back home in less than 30 minutes. When I really want to put on the dog, I go to Fancy Al's on Karwick!
Southsider2k12
http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?Sectio...amp;TM=35340.29

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Super' Economic Shift
Local grocers could be concerned about Supercenter opening

Deborah Sederberg
The News-Dispatch

MICHIGAN CITY - When the new Wal-Mart Supercenter opened Wednesday, it marked a major shift in the retail economy in Michigan City. Not only does Wal-Mart have its traditional discount store, but it has added a grocery store and an expanded pharmacy to the local market.

Mayor Chuck Oberlie took part in the grand opening. "Wal-Mart has raised the bar of competition in the city. You always worry about competition like this; we can't get involved in protecting one class of business from another."

Still, Oberlie said he was pleased the store was built with local labor and that Wal-Mart has recommitted itself to supporting local organizations. At the opening, store officials passed out $18,000 in checks to eight organizations.

Oberlie said one of his concerns is what Wal-Mart will do with its 114,000-square-foot building on Franklin Street. Now that it is vacant, only a handful of stores remain in the shopping center that opened in 1990.

"Wal-Mart has promised us they are marketing the building," said Oberlie. "In fact, we have had inquiries from potential users. And to my understanding, at least one of the companies is a retailer."

But for all the optimism about the new store, the Wal-Mart Supercenter is being eyed warily by Michigan City grocery store owners.

While Gil Pontius, president and chief executive officer of Lakeshore Foods Corp., declined to comment on the Wal-Mart Supercenter, he is well aware of the impact of stores like that. In 1998 when Meijer opened on Franklin Street, Pontius closed Lakeshore's 50,000-square-foot store in the Wal-Mart plaza.

Back in 1998, Pontius talked about the competition. "We have always competed well against competition, but it's no secret that our competition has a store five times the size of ours."

Lakeshore Foods, the parent company of Al's Valueland, has two stores in Michigan City, Al's Supermarket, 2600 Franklin St., and one in Karwick Plaza. Both have been remodeled since 2003. The company also operates two stores in La Porte, one in South Haven, Ind., and one in New Buffalo, Mich.

Al Tokoly, manager of K&M Foods in Eastgate Plaza on Michigan Boulevard, said he isn't overly concerned, but acknowledged that the new store "will slice the pie a little thinner."

K&M, a small 13,200-square-foot grocery with 30 employees, has been a fixture on the East Side since 1955. Tokoly has worked there since 1960.

"Frankly, I'd like to see some more neighbors around here," said Tokoly of the dearth of retailers near his store.

"I'm guardedly optimistic. I think we will survive and I think all the others will survive, too," Tokoly said.

Even though the profit margin for a grocery store is 1 percent or less, Tokoly said, K&M works hard to hold down its prices. He said the disadvantage he and other grocers have against Wal-Mart is that when prices rise for milk or eggs, he either has to absorb it or pass it along to customers. "Wal-Mart can give away groceries because they can make it up on the other items they carry," Tokoly said.

Shannon Thiel, manager of the Wal-Mart Supercenter, worked his way up from gathering shopping carts in the parking lot to manager. He said he's proud of the amenities in the Supercenter.

In the produce section, fruits are displayed in containers that appear to be old-time fruit crates. "They give the department a homey feel, kind of a country atmosphere," he said.

He said the Michigan City store is the first to offer a brand of meat known as Genuine Steakhouse Brand. And in the frozen food aisle, Thiel demonstrated how the cold cabinets light up only as a customer approaches.

The store's ceiling lights also function only as needed. A daylight harvesting system uses 76 skylights throughout the store and light sensors monitor the natural light available. Electric lights turn on as needed. The brown concrete floor is made of recyclable material.

Ready-to-go food, both hot and cold, is available from the store's deli and bakery as well as from an in-store Subway restaurant. Thiel said the bakery will sell everything from fresh rolls every morning to special-order birthday and wedding cakes.

Thiel said that in response to customer demand, display shelves are lower and easier to reach. And, he said, "Customers tell us they do not like self check-out. They like someone to be here to check them out, to take care of them."

Amanda Haverstick and Rick Richards contributed to this story.

Contact Deborah Sederberg at dsederberg@thenewsdispatch.com.

By The Numbers
Wal-Mart Supercenter - 186,000 square feet.

Employees: 380

Average wage: $10.80 an hour

Wal-Mart in Indiana: 124 facilities with 39,105 employees. (81 Supercenters, 17 discount stores, four Neighborhood Markets, 16 Sam's Clubs, six distribution centers)
JHeath
We went sightseeing at SWN over the weekend, and admittedly, I was a lot less than impressed.

The parking lot was a nightmare, the shelves were not fully stocked, and the employees were not aware of where the products were. I know that the store was busy, but the staff was quite rude, too.

Will I go back? Probably not unless I have to. I think they're shooting themselves in the foot with this one.
ChickenCityRoller
QUOTE(JHeath @ Mar 11 2008, 09:29 AM) *

I think they're shooting themselves in the foot with this one.


Good! I hope it's a big gun and is able to rip off some rapid fire! laugh.gif
MC Born & Raised
This puts me in the minority I supposed, but I thought the store was fine. More than that, on grocery items my wife and I buy regularly, there were noticeable price differences. Perhaps that won't keep up forever, but if it does, I'll go there to save a few bucks. We usually go to Meijer, but the new Wal-Mart is just cheaper. Same stuff for less? That's easy for me.

I will say, though, that the produce was not special.
lovethiscity
QUOTE(MC Born & Raised @ Mar 11 2008, 07:56 PM) *

This puts me in the minority I supposed, but I thought the store was fine. More than that, on grocery items my wife and I buy regularly, there were noticeable price differences. Perhaps that won't keep up forever, but if it does, I'll go there to save a few bucks. We usually go to Meijer, but the new Wal-Mart is just cheaper. Same stuff for less? That's easy for me.

I will say, though, that the produce was not special.

When Meijer's first opened they sold things like milk, eggs and bread real cheep, the real cost was the closing of Al's across the street. I will keep supporting K&M even if it means spending a few bucks more.
mcstumper
QUOTE(MC Born & Raised @ Mar 11 2008, 07:56 PM) *

This puts me in the minority I supposed, but I thought the store was fine. More than that, on grocery items my wife and I buy regularly, there were noticeable price differences. Perhaps that won't keep up forever, but if it does, I'll go there to save a few bucks. We usually go to Meijer, but the new Wal-Mart is just cheaper. Same stuff for less? That's easy for me.

I will say, though, that the produce was not special.


Exactly my thoughts. On a comparable product basis, their prices were lower than Meijer's. Produce was surprisingly skimpy compared to Meijer's.

I wish that they would have made that access road next to Denny's curvey with fancy lightposts lining it so that it would feel like you're going to Four Winds.
Southsider2k12
QUOTE(MC Born & Raised @ Mar 11 2008, 07:56 PM) *

This puts me in the minority I supposed, but I thought the store was fine. More than that, on grocery items my wife and I buy regularly, there were noticeable price differences. Perhaps that won't keep up forever, but if it does, I'll go there to save a few bucks. We usually go to Meijer, but the new Wal-Mart is just cheaper. Same stuff for less? That's easy for me.

I will say, though, that the produce was not special.


I didn't get to walk the aisles much and comparison shop. I just gotten out of the doctors office from having the Big V, and wasn't exactly feeling like doing in depth analysis at the time. I'm sure we will be back this weekend. For me the big loser is going to be Meijer, because they can't keep their shelves stocked, and it drives me nuts. I hate making extra trips, and trying to find people who won't check to see if something is in stock. Its just easier to go somewhere else for me.
Ang
I have the same beef with Meijer as SSder. It would drive me nuts that the sale paper came out on Wednesday so that same day, I would go to Meijer to shop right after work (I was at MCHS so I was off work at 3:30) and NONE OF THE SALE ITEMS WERE ON THE SHELVES!!! What is up with that? They put things on sale and don't have enough product to support the sale. You ask for a rain check and the girl stares off into space. You ask again and you're told you they don't do rain checks because the sale goes on for a week and you can always come back later when they've restocked. Yeah, except when you do go back, the shelves are still empty. Plus the fact that I don't want to keep driving out to Meijer just to get three cans of Bush's baked beans for a dollar. It was much easier to drive three blocks to Al's and pay $1.50 for those same three cans.
MC Born & Raised
Yeah, I hate that about Meijer. HATE. You go there for regular items, and if they happen to be in the sales flyer, you're out of luck. How can you not keep the shelves stocked? I understand it happens, but it happens there ALL the time. It's so frustrating.
Southsider2k12
Its even more frustrating because I have shopped there at just about every conceivable time just to try to beat those shortages. Early, late, weekday, weekend... It doesn't matter. If nothing else I know I can one stop shop at Wal-Mart if I need to.... Having the young kids, that is a nice option to have sometimes. I can't always go to two, three, or four places to find something.
Ang
I'm wondering if the distribution center purposely does not send them items going on sale just so they don't have it to sell and take the loss from reduced price
JHeath
Of course we will all shop where we please, but I'll always be a loyal Al's person. There's nothing that beats good service...if I pay 10 cents more for something, I'll be glad to do so as long as the service is there.

I've been to Meijer a few times, and I've had nothing but bad experiences. I've found that Jewel is lacking in the service area as well. Wal-Mart used to be okay, with the exception of a few employees, but when we visited to new store, no one knew where ANYTHING was, and the shelves were not fully stocked nor properly marked.

Yeah, I think I'll just stay at Als. Better service, and reliability. Thier staff beats the rest of them out for these things every day.
Ang
Not to mention Al's is a HUGE supporter of High School Athletics

So much so that they get complimentary season tickets every year.
edgeywood
QUOTE(JHeath @ Mar 12 2008, 03:52 PM) *

Of course we will all shop where we please, but I'll always be a loyal Al's person. There's nothing that beats good service...if I pay 10 cents more for something, I'll be glad to do so as long as the service is there.



Agreed! There is a high cost for the low prices at Wal-Nart and Meijer.
Ecotourist
QUOTE(edgeywood @ Mar 13 2008, 02:43 PM) *

Agreed! There is a high cost for the low prices at Wal-Nart and Meijer.



I don't care about the prices.
Al's has the best music.

CaddyRich
QUOTE(Ecotourist @ Mar 15 2008, 02:50 PM) *

I don't care about the prices.
Al's has the best music.



Very true. Nothing like hearing "Secret Agent Man" while going through the cereal aisle.

edgeywood
QUOTE(CaddyRich @ Mar 16 2008, 10:58 AM) *

Very true. Nothing like hearing "Secret Agent Man" while going through the cereal aisle.


Johnny Rivers or Devo?
CaddyRich
QUOTE(edgeywood @ Mar 19 2008, 02:48 PM) *

Johnny Rivers or Devo?


Johnny Rivers, of course.
Southsider2k12
Well it only took three weeks, but the new Wal-Mart is already preforming like the old one. We went last night with the kids, so we wanted to do a quick (the term is relative with two kids under 2.5yrs) one stop shop. There were three things on our list they were out of, many of their staples were more expensive than Meijer or Jewel, their deli was CLOSED at 8pm, and they only had two lines open for regular check out (one of which closed once we went through it).

I was hoping the new building would fix some of the old problems that they had, but I guess it is the same old dog.
Ang
That dog is lying here, too SSder. And we have one at each end of town!
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